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Old 01-30-2017, 12:12 PM   #41
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I understand. - At one post where I was stationed the Deputy Post CDR routinely was carrying a Model of 1917 S&W New Service in .45ACP, when I arrived on post. The Post CDR knew & didn't care.
(I offered him an "as new" Colt's Commando.38SPL & he refused so I swore him in as a Post Game Warden, which authorized him to carry his revolver.)

Fwiw, I sometimes carried a S&W revolver on/off post that was US Property but a "commercial buy".

Note: Personally, I think the Armed Forces are "missing a bet" by NOT swearing in EVERYBODY, who the CDR believes is TRUSTWORTHY enough to be armed & sworn-in as a Post Game Warden.
(When I did that a one small post & we "advertised" that there were 28 new Game Wardens "working in plain clothes", the overall post crime rate went down almost a THIRD & STAYED DOWN.)
When the "local thugs" believe that just any government vehicle may BE a Post Game Warden, the criminal minority often chooses to NOT violate the law. - That may be the BEST reason to swear in extra Game Wardens. = Inexpensive Crime Prevention.

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Update: M17 is apparently going to be accepted all the services.
BREAKING: M17 Modular Handgun System ACCEPTED for Service by Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog
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When I was a kid and visiting posts (1940s) all the NCOs and officers were armed with a pistol. Yeah, it was wartime, but that wasn't the reason. Just a carry over from the old days. I would like to see them go back to that practice. I suspect Able Hotels like Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan would be a little more reluctant to start some BS.
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csmkersh,

YEP. And furthermore I think that the Armed Forces would be ahead of the game to ISSUE revolvers/ammo (All of the services have LOTS of the old .38SPLs in stock.) to all US military retirees, who are willing & able to carry on post.

When I was the PM at one "small post", I swore in every NCO, WO & commissioned officer, who COULD qualify with the handguns.
(I didn't want the people who couldn't ever qualify to even have a peashooter.)

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I think it makes sense for the services to standardize weapons for the most part. The high speed-low drag folks can get specialized tools, but the SIG seems capable of delivering just about whatever the rank and file folks in military would need of a handgun, in more than a few configurations.
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IF the US military was SMART & THRIFTY, they would have ONE handgun & ONE standard ammo that is suitable for ALL the various groups/tasks that are needful.
(I see NOTHING wrong with the M11 and/or the ammo that we have now for all those tasks.)

Fwiw, I've been a S-4 for a MP unit more than once & a G-4 on another occasion & having several sorts of handguns/handgun ammo /maintenance parts is a MAJOR logistical PITA.
(At one point I was ordering/storing/distributing out to the units: .32ACP (for 2 flag officers), .357MAG (for our DoD Police), .38SPL, 9mm Parabellum & .45ACP, plus a "basic load" of repair parts for FIVE different handguns.)

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IF the US military was SMART & THRIFTY, they would have ONE handgun & ONE standard ammo that is suitable for ALL the various groups/tasks that are needful.
Like this?

1. Sig P320

1. 9mm
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The M11 is a FINE handgun & I suspect is considerably LESS $$$$$$$ each. - Besides DoD owns a LOT of them that are paid for.

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It will take many years before the M-17 replaces the M-9 and the rest of the pistols. I noted a 1911 on the hip of a gate guard at Wright-Pat on my way to the USAF Museum.
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IF the US military was SMART & THRIFTY, they would have ONE handgun & ONE standard ammo that is suitable for ALL the various groups/tasks that are needful.
(I see NOTHING wrong with the M11 and/or the ammo that we have now for all those tasks.)

Fwiw, I've been a S-4 for a MP unit more than once & a G-4 on another occasion & having several sorts of handguns/handgun ammo /maintenance parts is a MAJOR logistical PITA.
(At one point I was ordering/storing/distributing out to the units: .32ACP (for 2 flag officers), .357MAG (for our DoD Police), .38SPL, 9mm Parabellum & .45ACP, plus a "basic load" of repair parts for FIVE different handguns.)

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Where handguns are concerned, one sizes most certainly does not fit all. The M17 addresses that issue very well and pretty darned cheap. I think the M17 will end up being very well suited to a large military organization.

Most of what the M17 has to offer really doesn't help an individual citizen or gun owner. It is really designed around a very large agency who has to arm a wide variety of shooters of all shapes and sizes. The M17 does this exceptionally well.

But for us individuals. We can just go pick out the gun we like and fits us best and call it done. Once you have a gun that fits you and fits your needs, all the other flexibility really doesn't mean anything.

I'm very happy with their choice. I personally think the Beretta APX showed more promise, but it was just too new...the 320 has been around for a few years and that was a edge that the APX just couldn't overcome. The military made the right choice.
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