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Old 10-17-2016, 06:05 AM   #1
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A guy on Reddit found this pistol while metal detecting and wants ideas as to what it might be. The forward-angled trigger guard has me stumped. There doesn't appear to be a cylinder, so it may pre-date revolvers. Any ideas?

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Old 10-17-2016, 06:42 AM   #2
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CaptainGyro,

I suspect that what I can see (as it's covered with dirt/rust/crud) that it's a single-shot rolling or falling block pistol, rather than a revolver. = That's nothing more than a WAG.

In the mid 19th century there were several companies that made such handguns & that ran from very cheap & poor quality to some quite good quality handguns (like the Remington Rolling Block pistols, that were bought by the USN).

At least two companies in the UK made such single-shot handguns in big-bore rifle calibers & that were unpopular due to the severe recoil. = One company in Dublin Ireland even made a single-shot handgun in 8 gauge/.835 caliber, by 3-inch case length.
(Even thinking about firing that "monster" makes my hand/wrist ache!!)

Until/unless it's cleaned-up I doubt that anyone can be sure what it is.

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Toy gun, maybe?
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SW: The rolling block idea is a distinct possibility. Someone else suggested it also, although no one can come up with a picture that matches the distinctive, forward-canted trigger guard. Still, it seems to make the most sense given the profile and the large hammer.

Bearcat: Yeah, I also thought a toy gun was a possibility, and someone else suggested starter pistol.

The guy who found it is going to try to have it X-ray'd before attempting to clean the crud off, so maybe we'll get more info.
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CaptainGyro,

Inasmuch as it's been about 150 years since that sort of single-shot handguns were manufactured, I'd be quite surprised if there are photos of all of the numerous different kinds that were made in the 1865-1875 period.

Btw, about 60 days ago there was a short article in THE PITTSBURG GAZETTE (of northeast TX) about a home remodeler who found a loaded (circa 1840) .36 caliber "Texas Patterson" Colt's revolver, in NRA "fine" condition, inside a wall of a house that he was working on. = According to an auctioneer from a nearby town, the Patterson Colt's revolver in "as found condition" is worth enough to pay for the entire home remodeling job.

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I just looked at it again, maybe a flare gun.
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Toy gun, maybe?
My first thought, too.
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Mystery Solved



It's in an ebay auction:

Vintage/ Antique National Cast Iron Toy Cap Gun | eBay
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Old 10-17-2016, 06:25 PM   #9
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csmkersh,

I should have known that "our resident E-9" would figure it out!!
(I was told when I was first on AD, "If you want the real skinny, ask the SGM.")

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I should have known that "our resident E-9" would figure it out!!
(I was told when I was first on AD, "If you want the real skinny, ask the SGM.")

yours, sw
Thank you, sir.

I got POed at a brand new 2LT and told him it took an act of Congress to make him an officer and a gentleman. He started to get made, then you could see the light bulb go on. He grinned and said "SGM, you're right again." We became friends and he turned out to be a good officer.
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csmkersh,

I've met some "pretty sorry excuses for" a SGM but the vast majority that I knew for 3 decades were SMART, HELPFUL & KNOWLEDGEABLE.

just my OPINION, as just one old soldier, sw
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As one who didn't get to serve, I still consider my Old Sarge grandfather's words about "when in doubt, seek out the crustiest Old Sarge you can ind, the more stripes the better" some of the sagest advice I ever received. (Confirmed by a retired LTC and Squadron Commander, no less!)
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Bullseye Top. Nice work!
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Sar' Major, THAT was a fine bit of detective work!
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Thank you all.
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