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Old 07-26-2016, 12:42 PM   #1
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French new service rifle competition...

So it's down to the FN SCAR and H&K 416. I'd say regardless of which is chosen, the French will finally have a decent service rifle.
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Oh, the jokes I could post here... *snickering*

But in deference to the victims of Nice and the hope that Le Frogs will finally Grow A Pair I won't.
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I actually at one time agreed with you DB and had posted those jokes but I believe the French people are turning a new leaf with the amount of terrorist attacks they are receiving of late.I was looking at the French Police weapons no more than a couple hours ago Kevin wondering what is that rifle?it looks familiar.It was the Ruger Mini-14 with a stock I would love to get with black plastic handguard.
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Can FN or H&K pay the biggest bribes to the right people?
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Who has limited experience with the French Army, but those in it are not enthusiastic about their leadership.
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I am reminded of General Schwarzkopf's reply to a reporter who asked if it was a good idea to go to war without French participation in the coalition:

"Going to war without the French is like going hunting without your accordion."
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Javlin, hence my deference to hope that Paris has finally been pushed to the point where they've decided to Ruck Up on a level not seen since the Napoleonic Wars.

Hundreds of years of cultural habit don't change easily, but hopefully they're starting down the right path.
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Javlin, hence my deference to hope that Paris has finally been pushed to the point where they've decided to Ruck Up on a level not seen since the Napoleonic Wars.

Hundreds of years of cultural habit don't change easily, but hopefully they're starting down the right path.

I had a bad taste in my mouth after the French did not let us use there airspace when going for Qaddafi when Reagan was in the big house and I am 1/2 French.My Mother was full blooded Canadian French which we have tracked our lineage back to 1500-1600's(?) France.I do not subscribe to ideal that nationalism is such a bad thing only when it is used to bad a purpose.Hence that I thing after WWI and the start of the LoN that they started loosing more of their identity to some degree.The transformation maybe occurring I hope for all of Europe.
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I am reminded of General Schwarzkopf's reply to a reporter who asked if it was a good idea to go to war without French participation in the coalition:

"Going to war without the French is like going hunting without your accordion."
Nicer than what Patton had to say...
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CaptainGyro,

Now that's just FUNNY.

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Ditto mine.

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I'm really hoping the French will pick the FN SCAR. I think it's an excellent weapon and I'd like to see it have more success in the marketplace. And hopefully that success will translate into much lower prices for the SCAR (they have priced themselves pretty much out of the civilian market thus far). I mean, since you can get a Colt AR for under a grand, and the SCAR is right around 3k, there's no way I could ever justify twice the price, let alone 3x the price for a rifle that's just a little better than an AR.
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Rub is, FN Herstal knows that they can slap whatever price on it they like and some snob will pay it. Look at how they're pricing their "USGI Replica" line... a semiauto SAW for basically the same as Big Green pays for the real thing, IIRC.
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Rub is, FN Herstal knows that they can slap whatever price on it they like and some snob will pay it. Look at how they're pricing their "USGI Replica" line... a semiauto SAW for basically the same as Big Green pays for the real thing, IIRC.
Is there any difference in manufacturing costs? Belt fed weapons are expensive, and it costs just as much to make a semi-auto as it does to make a full auto.
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Actually, I think USG might pay *less* for the Real Deal--from the marketing emails I've gotten, I get the impression that FN very much prefers the limited-run snob-market over volume sales on the private sector.
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I'm really hoping the French will pick the FN SCAR. I think it's an excellent weapon and I'd like to see it have more success in the marketplace.
That it isn't a significant improvement over the current rifle and costs much more has hurt it in military contracts. Not to mention the expense of changes in supporting a new service rifle (and OMG having to rewrite manuals!). I can't find the book FN gave me, but the rifle I found most appealing was essentially an update of the FAL but looking like the SCAR series. I note it's no longer in their catalogs.

I find the SCAR too busy-trying to hit too many requirements. The stock is interesting, but fragile (not gonna beat on too many adversaries before it breaks) and the cheekpiece is made for stock crawlers only.

The HK 416, on the other hand, has a successful track record in actual combat. If the French can get over the anguish of buying their service rifle from the hated Boche, they'll do well.

Prediction: FN

I think the French Mini stock is the standard stock with sling cuts ala the M1 Carbine.
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I think the French Mini stock is the standard stock with sling cuts ala the M1 Carbine.
It's got checkers in some locations and the back end of the stock looks maybe to my eyes a couple of inches longer and I like the plastic handguard look low fat profile. Last pic is US standard from the 70's
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full blooded Canadian French- you mean QUEBECois
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full blooded Canadian French- you mean QUEBECois
Immigrated from France family name Bedard have to find papers if I still got them my sister was trying to find more,Quebec not sure.I get the feeling HK and FN not fond of public ownership these days and DB with the numbers they want they can keep them.I saw a G3 back when I first got my M1a in the 90's at the range not overly impressed with it's accuracy but probably the shooter getting use to it.

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