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Old 05-05-2005, 10:13 AM   #1
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Whatever happened to Jim Zubiena?

I seem to remember a discussion on the old P* SSBB, perhaps even predating P* Internet, in which Jim Zubiena's Miami Vice performance was discussed. I thought I remembered that he subsequently tried his hand at bank robbery, with little success. However, a web search has not retrieved any citations of this. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I can't believe I made this up out of whole cloth.
Anyone know the real story?
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Old 05-05-2005, 02:52 PM   #2
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I pulled out the Miami Vice DVDs.
Very fast!
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I think Michael Bane has the update on this guy. It seems the bank robbery rumor is a slander with no basis in fact and I think Bane said this guy is now a country and western singer operating under a new alias, but don't remember his new stage name.

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Old 05-05-2005, 05:15 PM   #4
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I heard the same story but never found it to be true. I think it is an urban legend.

I contacted an LE friend in California who said he sees Jim occasionally. No, i didn't ask about any criminal activity but I do not think the LE would be near a convicted felon.

Perhaps Mike Bane would know more.
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:34 AM   #5
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Michael Bane never knows more!

However, I ran into Jim a couple of years ago at a celebrity shoot where he was the featured entertainment, performing country music under a new name I can no longer remember (apparently, "Zubiena" didn't rhyme with either "beer," "truck" or "kick-ass"). He told me he never robbed any banks, which seemed a pretty reasonable statement in a room full of people with guns. He was also a pretty good country singer!

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re singer, same story I had.

He told me that his famous Miami Vice scene required a dozen takes as he had difficulty making a clean draw wearing gloves.

Now to the never before disclosed "insider" tidbit, the "Why" of him clearing the 1911 after the shooting and putting it on the dead guys chest.

I asked. Jim pointed out that he had followed the "unload and show clear" IPSC range command so long he did it reflexively.

In the take, he reverted to auto pilot and cleared the 1911. He said that, once he realized what he had done, putting the gun on the dead many's chest just seemed like the right next move and the director - Michael Mann - left all of it in the scene.

Now you have "the rest of the story"!
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I just always assumed it was the action of a real pro--didn't want to be caught with the murder weapon so he left it there, and didn't want someone else to pick it up and hurt some innocent party with it so he cleared it. I thought the move showed a certain amount of style.
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I asked. Jim pointed out that he had followed the "unload and show clear" IPSC range command so long he did it reflexively.
That's what I thought when I saw it.

Speaking of fast shooters, I just got back from seeing Jerry Miculek doing a demonstration at the range I go to. I enjoyed watching him shoot the gun while using his pinky finger to pull the trigger.
Then he blew up a cabbage with a S&W 500.
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Thank you, Gentlemen.
I wondered about that unload and show clear, Walt. Thanks for sharing that story.
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Old 05-10-2005, 05:20 PM   #10
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Zubiena gave a slightly different account of the Miami Vice scene in the Combat Handguns interview.
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When I viewed the sequence with Jim, he pointed out that it was done entirely without cuts - what you see on the screen was shot in one sequence and not patched together. "We did have to do about 10 takes, because the surgical gloves I wore hung up on the hammer a few times when I went for the draw. I also double-clutched the trigger once or twice, and there were a few jams, because in faking recoil you lose some of the energy of the gun cycling."

As to his technique in firing the SPAS-12, he told me that putting the weak hand on top of the weapon keeps recoil to a minimum and forces the gun rearward, which improves pointing and makes recovery faster.

Finally, I asked him why he cleared the gun and left it on the bodyguard's chest: "It wasn't in the script, but when we started shooting the scene I cleared it and threw it on the seat of the limousine. When the director asked me why I did it I told him that since there were no fingerprints on the gun, as soon as I'd gotten rid of it there would no longer be any physical evidence to connect me with the crime. He liked the idea, and went one step further: he told me to leave it on the man's chest. So the reason I put the gun on his chest wasn't for any tactical reason or as some kind of calling card, but because the director told me to."
Combat Handguns, June 1986, "From Miami Vice: The Pro In Action," by Jon Winokur.
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OK, two versions, I'll go with mine.
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I'd go with the reflex IPSC action version as well… I'd remembered that Combat Handguns story that Winokur did, but Ajax found it before I could. His explanation didn't make much sense to me then, it doesn't now, and Walt's recounting does make sense.

No matter, our Canadian friend Rod Regier sent me the following link: http://www.americana1800.org/GalleryShoot_1.htm with the terse advisory:
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Check out who is the "Shoot Director."
Hmmmmnnnn!

BTW: according to Farmer Frank, Winokur and our own Michael Bane are the only two writers to ever "escape the gun-writer ghetto. That was about ten years ago. Ironically, both allowed themselves to be "dragged back in."
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:25 PM   #13
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Zubiena

OK.... maybe it's because I am cranky right now but it annoys me when people put words in my mouth......
I unloaded the d*** gun and dropped it on the yellow shirt to seperate me from any evidence of the shooting and make sure the firearm could not be used against me as I departed. Remember.... this was way before prints could be gotten out of the gloves..... all planned and executed on the set as I have stated before.... no unload and show clear from habit...... I did the same thing in an episode of Nash Bridges years later. Hope this clears this up. Thanks for remembering........
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From Dean Speir's 'The Gun Zone', an article and video of the Miami Vice scene:
The Gun Zone -- Miami Vice

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Thanks for remembering........
Thanks for dropping in.

I use that Miami Vice hit clip of yours to show newbie pistoleros how it's done...
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I just always assumed it was the action of a real pro--didn't want to be caught with the murder weapon so he left it there, and didn't want someone else to pick it up and hurt some innocent party with it so he cleared it. I thought the move showed a certain amount of style.
That's the way I always used to do it...
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Wow, straight from the horse's mouth so-to-speak and it only took seven years.

Welcome aboard Sir.

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This is the one forum where a thread can never be considered truely dead; kinda funny that way.
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YEE-OW!! I didn't notice the thread was from seven years back! Still, who better to resurrect it than the Man himself?
Again, welcome! Please drop in often.
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Thanks for remembering........
EVERY shooter that saw that scene remembers it.

Thanks for giving us the first hand story.
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