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Old 10-04-2008, 07:32 AM   #1
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Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

Do it yourself bore treatment to good to be true? Any independent/objective evaluation of it anywhere yet?

http://www.otisgun.com/cgistore/store.c ... 24548.3856
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Old 10-04-2008, 07:39 AM   #2
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

This doesn't pass the sniff test. I'll look for some more info later today.
 
Old 10-04-2008, 02:54 PM   #3
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

The style of the ad copy is enough to make me doubtful and I'd love to know how a bullet can "float" anywhere but I have no experience with the product.

Something called Ultra Borecoat received a very favorable review in [i]Handloader[i] awhile ago but I have no experience with it either.
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Old 10-04-2008, 04:54 PM   #4
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

In the old days, they sold things like this off the back of a medicine wagon.
Today, thanks to technology and major advances in science, they sell it on the internet.

Same snake oil, better packaging.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:39 PM   #5
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

Gentlemen,

FWIW, I have worked with Nano Ceramics. If my memory serves me correctly (Its been a while), the ceramic particle size of a Nano-composite would be .000006 inches. If they don't have issues with brittlensess and cracking, bonding to the steel barrel and there is sufficient consistent heat generated to crosslink the whole mess, this could be serious stuff! The company that dumped our R&D dept and put me out of work after being bought out by a Frrench company did a lot of work with nanocomposite technology. It is used in Space Shuttle, Peugeot and Renault racing engines and other demanding uses.

It will NOT fix a shot out or worn/damaged barrel, but when I get some cash, for $80, I may just dump some into the M-48 Mauser and see what happens.

BTW, I'm not in any way connected with Otis, Gun manufactures or plastics anymore. I'm in Construction now. Thanks to economic policy (NAFTA?) all of my jobs went to third world countries and I got tired of being out of the USA!!!

By the time they can outsource Skyscrapers (and they will) I will hope to be retired in the woods or on the ocean.

If I try it, I will give a quantified, documented and impartial report to the board (nothing in it for me, but an interesting concept).

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Old 10-07-2008, 07:09 AM   #6
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

Please do keep us informed.

While I know micron size particles are real can you please explain a little more about the technology of applying them to metal surfaces? Same question for "crosslink"?
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Old 10-07-2008, 08:29 AM   #7
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

Charlie,

I have to be careful not to violate "Non-Disclosure Agreement" so I have to speak generally.

Let me start by saying that, back in the 60's or 70' the "Nylo 66, 22 cal rifle was introduced> It was a fine rifle, but, at the time, no Sportsman would be seen with a "Plastic Gun". Fast forward, now we have "Polymer Technology" introduced into the gun world. Great marketing, since the chemical name for all common plastics is "Polymers"!

No one wants a plastic gun but a Polymer gun is cutting edge high tech sounding, yes? Guess what, same stuff.

To your questions, application to metal surfaces is completely controlled by the polymer (plastic) carrier. There are two familys of plastics, thermoplastics (the kind that melt when heat is applied) and thermosets (the kind that will burn before they melt, like the Teflon (PTFE) that is on your "non-stick fry pan". Preparation and applcation techniques are solely dependent on the plastic/other carrier of the ceramic. The carrier will determine such things as adhesion and stress cracking. I don't know what Otis is using but I will figure it out and see if it makes sense before my test.

Crosslinking is connecting smaller plastic molecule to form large molecules. In a thermoset material, the molecules become so large that they can no longer be broken apart by heat (like Teflon on the fry pan or Epoxy). If you have worked with epoxies, you will notice that when the components are mixed, heat is generated. In this case, the heat is the by product of the reaction of the two components (however the heat accelerates the reaction). Popular methods of crosslinking are heat, catalyst and Gamma Ray (if I remember correctly) bombardment. Microwaves work with some materials, I have done some experiments in the Microwave oven. I create my own simulated ivory and make my own pistol grips. If I can find the camera, I'll post pics of my Highpower grips. My base carrier is a catylist crosslinked polymer, filled with whatever I want to put in it.

When Otis says that the bullet floats, that is Sales Speak for "The product coats the steel, so you bullet rides on this nano thick coating".

Not bad for an old "Swamp Yankee" (Northern word for Redneck), yes. I did ths stuff for 25+ years before I got Honked Off at the plastics industry and bailed for a new career. Obviously, I do miss it.

Caution Guys, don't try mixing up your own brew unless you know what you are doing; some combinations WILL explode and some WILL produce by products that WILL injure or KILL you!!! (Don't ask how I know this).

If anyone thinks I'm making this up, that's fine. Theres nothing in it for me. But please, if you experiment (and some will),
be DAMN CAREFUL! Protective clothing, NOSH Resperator/Filter, Goggles, Gloves, Fire Extinguisher and do it outdoors with cell phone ready to dial 911. I'm NOT joking.

Hope I answered your questions, feel free to ask more, I'll answer what I can.

Have Fun, Be Safe,

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Old 10-07-2008, 09:51 AM   #8
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

Ultra Bore Coat seems similar and about half the price.

http://www.ultracoatingsinc.com/products.html

"What Ultra Bore Coat will do:

It will greatly reduce or in most cases eliminate jacket fouling.
It will allow you to shoot extremely long strings without cleaning.
You will never need a bronze bore brush in the bore again; all cleaning is done with patches and solvent. It takes an average of 4-8 patches and you’re done.
Ultra Bore Coat will help protect against corrosion, both galvanic and chemical.
It will keep the barrel shooting up to its potential for longer periods of time.

What Ultra Bore Coat will not do:

Ultra Bore Coating will have no effect on velocity, point of impact, or group size.
If the barrel is a dog to start with, it will still be a dog after applying Ultra Bore Coating. But it will the easiest cleaning dog you’ve ever owned."

Now we need a shoot off between the two?
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Re: Nano Ceramic Bore Liner?

While we're on the subject, HUMMER mentioned this outfit to me several weeks ago;

http://www.superiorbarrels.com/What%20i ... 20Blue.htm

Yes their have always been those who will say or do anything for a buck, snakeoil cons are still out there.
But technology is moving so fast, that todays magic is tomorrows SOP.
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