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Old 10-01-2015, 04:16 PM   #41
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completely different mission than mine- very seldom did we ever penetrate a vil, but sat on the outside with a pair of binocs and just watched with a prick 25 or 77- typically at military apex - then when things got interesting call in some 5 inch or some 105s -I had an m14 loaded with tracer rounds to mark the target if arty couldn't get the target"right-the rest of my kit was just 'neat things to have" acquired along the way-
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:35 PM   #42
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If things got way to rough a Phantom might drop in, but the eggbeaters where the fastest ticket out of Dodge. Only got to use the M14NM with M118 Match ammunition, and only after a Boston Whaler Ride. Seems that wooden furniture didn't didn't hold up as well as the plastic handle or leather washer grips on a MK2 in the Mangroves.
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Old 10-03-2015, 07:21 AM   #43
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well, like I said a lot of my kit wasn't issue- the 14 was won in a poker match with marvin- all I was SUPPOSED to have was the prick 25/77, a pair of binocs and a 45- well, you know in-country operators- the 16 was back in the locker- the tracer rounds were gleaned from a 60-it was probably seconded from the marines b/c it had the fiberglas furniture and the vil people were past masters at pick-pocketing, or just downright thievery- my knife was a jon ek- or a copy thereof- I wasn't sure- just like the "silent mary" - there must have been a Russian "advisor" ( read kgb) come through - that's the only way these guys would have "acquired" one of those
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Sounds like you had several Rembrandt level comshaw artists in the supply chain. Back at the Float things were pretty Regular Navy and you could commandeer just about anything GI you desired, Once you got used to sleeping through the Carp-killers. Many of the overnight guests dumped Locally Procured Items in order to maintain ballast, but I never was one to Reconnoiter other folk's failures. A couple of SLR's a S...Can full of BW High Res 35mm and a Made in the USA 498 or Mark 2 were as normal as Khaki swim trunks and canned green meals. Anything acquired of "Significance" shipped back to Ford Island SAM. So while it was the anything goes Free Lifestyle, I liked the (NSN) Union Label Products.

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Old 10-04-2015, 01:52 PM   #45
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hey at least u got to go home every nite or so- once I was en place that was it until extraction- sometimes it was a week or better- as long as u made your usual ck in- they didn't worry about you as long as the inty was flowing- as for food, lets just say I've had my fill of nuoc-mon, rice and rats-basically, a foo that didn't go native was poor indeed
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UNDERSTOOD very well. = I can probably still quote you 20 recipes from long ago for cooking monkey & various other jungle creatures that the average CONUS resident wouldn't even consider eating.
(Unlike many GIs, I actually like nuoc-mam.)

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if u ate usgi rats(rations) then there was always the problem of disposing of the "waste" ie the cardboard and wrapping, plastic etc- not a good idea where you're supposed to be UN NOTICEABLE-the vil kids were always pawing around in the dirt and making toys from waste- then the vc would notice, and your "situation " would be compromised- I usually got in and out by means of a marine patrol , tagging onto the tail- head count would be 1 over or 1 short but never mind - that's the way singleton operates
I always found it fascinating that years later the "tickle me elmo " doll came out - to those of us that served elmo ( bud) meant something completely different- always had trouble getting boots and uniforms

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Much different Missions.

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if u ate usgi rats(rations) then there was always the problem of disposing of the "waste" ie the cardboard and wrapping, plastic etc- not a good idea where you're supposed to be UN NOTICEABLE-the vil kids were always pawing around in the dirt and making toys from waste- then the vc would notice, and your "situation " would be compromised- I usually got in and out by means of a marine patrol , tagging onto the tail- head count would be 1 over or 1 short but never mind - that's the way singleton operates
I always found it fascinating that years later the "tickle me elmo " doll came out - to those of us that served elmo ( bud) meant something completely different- always had trouble getting boots and uniforms
Clearly We have different impressions (Op Areas) of the Terrain.
Green cans sink rather well, none of the "waste" ever traveled with Me.
Ate my share of sashimi without soy or wasabi, finned,shelled,or furred.
I must be getting Old, can't recall sitting around the cook fire on the defoliated river banks waiting for the rice to boil. Muddy Business that.
Boots and uniforms problems? Couldn't you recall where you cached them before you swam out?

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Old 10-04-2015, 06:00 PM   #49
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cache- you have got to be kidding- what wasn't in your ruc you either 'acquired " or made a field expedient- rice and other supplies were eaten cold - remember- our "boys" operated in fields other than the rssz- like the central highlands f'rinstance or overlooking the trail - or a dozen other places - boots and unis take up a lot of valuable room in the ruc-and most of that is prick and batteries- caching was out of the question as there was too great a chance of being "discovered"

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Old 10-04-2015, 06:54 PM   #50
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Z didn't care if you had a fuzzy face while you sat alone in the dark puttying the bottom of the "Sticks" or pulling LP. TC&C provided the "MOONBEAM" at night so everyone could hear 115,116, or 117. From what I recall, rocks filled the ruc if it wasn't cached, while I slipped on the fins to "exit stage left" Better remember which end had the BUMPS (T!TS Navy Lexicon) on the MK-13 or you would miss the "Ride", Time and Tide Wait for No-one. A spare 90 battery was good Transportation Insurance, corrosion was quite a problem. LOL
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thing I remember most about those days was a guy by the name of rodriguiez- he'd yell at you 24/7 all while running BACKWARDS and puffing on a big cigar- he would have won nam by himself if they would have let him overseas- to this day I still want to scragg the guy
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It must be the VA Meds, Smokey Stover seems to have forgotten the names and places associated with the enclosed photos. Hope Ya'll don't mind t-star.
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hell, no I don't mind- we've got a rather unique perspective on what happened as does stand watie-rod was an instructor at basic-that's why I hate him so much- even after 50 years- - I had to give up kosher or I would have starved to death- the reason I was a foo was b/c I can't draw worth a sh*t- and macv-sog needed a point man to put fire where needed- not a job for indigs- had I been anywhere near water, I would have called in a team and had them put claymores all over the place with trips- well, they tried that and the "unfriendlies" found each and every claymore- it was heartbreaking to sit back in cover and watch all that work go to waste- a good working link was much more effective- I had a good working relationship with a local spook and he provided extraction for me at times-he provided a silenced uzi for my close- in , which was clearly superior in the dark, even if it did weigh 10 pounds- I still have it, down in my safe-

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Old 10-05-2015, 06:31 AM   #54
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I'll refrain from quoting TMI. Wish I had the perspective of Size 32 Swim Trunks Sliding off on there own accord again! LOL. Kosher wasn't a concern back then, if it was eatable it was "Chow-time"! Lucky I was ambidextrous, but I sired a couple of Artistically Inclined Southpaws, all with Indoor Plumbing though. Eventually we figured out that a "Stick" on a pressure switch under the M18 kept the "LOCALS" from reversing the direction and worked well as a Sentry. I don't believe that I'd trade the "Swed K", it cycled a bit slow but I don't remember it failing to cycle which was environmentally important.
Link for the young: The Swedish K and Special Forces In Vietnam | SpecialOperations.com

To get us back on track: In 83 Uncle Sam introduced the MK3, it was impervious to the environment but wouldn't hold an edge. It was determined that I needed a New Career Path, so I swapped the MK2 for a Flyers Survival Knife. I'll add a few links:

MK2: Classic Tactical : 498 Combat Knife

MK3: Classic Tactical : MK 3 Navy Knife

Flyers Survival Knife: Fixed Blades : 499 Survival

ps: Thanks for the trip down memory lane, I don't usually open up that much, but kindred souls are disappearing.

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I have 3 of the mk3- and mine certainly take an edge, but they're Camillus, not Ontario- the trick is to take the coating off first, just along the edge, or just not bother- as for kidlets I guess it's just me- I see them as an endless money pit - just not interested- and now that I've hit 62, the thought of raising a mongoloid (my doctor's term- he's Pakistani) terrifies the hell out of me
and i'm a real south paw- left eye , left hand- it's amazing how many of our ilk were- left hand of god and trinity and all that stuff- and mine will take the hair off your arm- that's sharp enough for me- however I also carry an axe(wink)
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I must admit that I love the feel of the MK3, but the first thing that had to go was sheath. Ordered up an Ontario/RAT-5 of ballistic nylon with a pouch, much better for use outside the surf. I didn't say you couldn't get an edge, I said you couldn't keep it very long while in use.
Now when I think about a replacement for the MK2 that's sharp and holds an edge......
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Takes a little work but that D2 will hold a working edge longer than my Old Arm can whittle. But I do have mixed emotions about the loss of the Back-strap Guard, especially with the serrations. But I still have concerns that the Rat-Tang will corrode and break. (It only takes one time to keep it in mind.) Wish KA-BAR would come up with a close offering using the Becker Style Grips.
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Old 10-05-2015, 02:22 PM   #57
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I made my own sheath from a uncle mike's pistol belt- it's a 54 inch belt and admittedly I just ain't that big- you only need about 20 inches or so and a needle, 20 pound test line and some time, although I do like the commercial sheath as well- the knife itself came from my brother- he got it from a dhs sweep- some people just don't get you can't carry a knife on a plane
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Old 10-05-2015, 02:36 PM   #58
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Ah, clench that blade in Ya'll's teeth and dare the Fishwives to take it away from Ya'll.
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Old 10-06-2015, 02:31 PM   #59
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Well, I couldn't help myself. For 40$ I tossed in the Ontario SP15 LSA with the Amazon order for the Grandchildren's Gerbers. Wonder if it fits into the Rat 5 Ontario Sheath. Got to admit that Ontario has gone almost primitive on their Standard Sheaths Lately.
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with me you have to define primitive- I use sewing needles and fishing line for stitches
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