Quillion/Bolster/Guard Survival knife. - Page 2 - Gun Hub
Gun Hub

Go Back   Gun Hub > Gun Hub Forum > Edged Weapons

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-26-2015, 05:22 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
I did ask for a knife that would have a guard/Bolster to keep hands off a blade while stabbing.
I didn't ask for a blade for fighting, but that is a natural conclusion for someone like me asking for a guarded knife. I Did come back and explain that the requirement for a guard was for the Tiny Troopers, but the Fighting Stabbing knife topic seems to be of much greater interest to the folks on the forum I couldn't help but read along. (Lot's of excellent insight)

Kevin/dfarriswheel's K-BAR Short, the AFSK, some of the smaller daggers might work well for the Little Ones first Knives. Which may need to stab game that hasn't quite expired in a snare, or fish that are still kicking. But the Most important quality of the guard is to keep little hands off the Blade.

But to add to the fray I haven't heard anyone mention the Gerber Defacto or Silver Trident, none of the Myriad of Bayonets or Gerbers MKII. So even if things aren't going quite as intended, I'm still gleaning info and ideas so why slow down the flow of info?

http://www.gerbergear.com/Military/K...nife_30-000523

Last edited by M118LR; 09-26-2015 at 05:23 PM. Reason: add Defacto Link.
M118LR is offline  
Old 09-26-2015, 07:22 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
bearcat6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,765
Knives made for stabbing are generally lousy when it comes to cleaning game, fish, etc.
bearcat6 is offline  
Old 09-26-2015, 09:42 PM   #23
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
Quote:
Originally Posted by bearcat6 View Post
Knives made for stabbing are generally lousy when it comes to cleaning game, fish, etc.
As with all tools there are specialized/better choices for every particular task.

I've been misusing clip and spear points for years, but I've never meet a meal I couldn't make with even the lowly AFSK.

(Although in today's environment skate's, ray's, Sea Turtle's, and Coconut Crab's might raise more than an eyebrow.)

A sharp edge from scalpel to machete has been (probably still are) used to perform most any cutting task that a knife was ever made for, and most likely a few that knives where not.

But for every task there is a correct tool, You are correct bearcat6.
M118LR is offline  
 
Old 09-27-2015, 05:35 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
Skeptic49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Posts: 2,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by t-star View Post
was that at the px, or in the alley behind?
Post Viet Nam 1973 right in the glass counter in sporting goods.
Geoff
Who failed to buy the Glock 17 for $35..Ignorance in 1978.
Skeptic49 is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 05:41 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
Skeptic49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: St. Augustine, FL
Posts: 2,242
What ever happened to the old Buck Special. It had a medium blade on a large handle. The "General" was closer to a Kabar.
Geoff
Who did a quick search without results.
Skeptic49 is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 06:08 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
csmkersh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 9,699
M118LR, why do Little Troopers need a knife for stabbing? They are kids in day care, not Explorer Scouts prepping for law enforcement or the military. In my weak mind these would be more suitable for them:

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&key...l_3xrcb2fyju_e

Is there more to this than what we've been given?

Little Troopers Day Care | Developing the Whole Child in San Carlos

Last edited by csmkersh; 09-27-2015 at 06:10 AM.
csmkersh is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 08:20 AM   #27
Forum Admin
 
SpecialEd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Wilmington, DelaWhere?
Posts: 6,877
I'm guessing M11L8R, from Florida, is using the term "Tiny Troopers" generically, as opposed to referring to Little Troopers Daycare in California.
SpecialEd is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 11:20 AM   #28
Senior Member
 
csmkersh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 9,699
Ed, Little Troopers is a franchised day care operation as near as I can tell. Tune "little troopers" through your favorite search engine such as google or bing. It's a big enough operation that Sears has a storefront for them.
csmkersh is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 02:37 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,203
The reason a number of knife brands and types hasn't been mentioned is because there are simply way too many on the market to list.

These types of posts usually quickly become "What's MY favorite knife or gun", which usually isn't all that useful.

Best option is to get online to some site like Optics Planet or a knife sales site and start looking at the thousands of knives available.
dfariswheel is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 05:07 PM   #30
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
SpecialEd is correct, I'm using Tiny Troopers Generically for the the Grandchildren.

csmkersh, rubber knives are the tool if hand to hand combat Training was the goal. However, rubber knives will not spark a starter rod, clean a fish or other small game. Yes , this type of training will be under direct supervision, but as these are Grandchildren concessions must be made to their Mother. The safety afforded by a Hand Guard/Quillion is one of the restrictions Placed upon "Crazy Old Men" by the Grandchildren's Mother.
The fact that I have been able to perform all required survival tasks with Military Issue Knives with Guards, precluded any reasonable debate to the contrary.

Buck still makes the 102 Woodsman, while I have used Buck Knives for cleaning and skinning for many years, the handles are a bit slick in Humid/wet conditions.

One of the reasons why I am soliciting information is due to my Military Background. Being so familiar with the Ontario 499 AFSK (and others) I don't want to be close minded to other Non-issued Knives which may not have the same failings as most of the rat-tanged Military Designs. While designed with novice use in mind, one of the failings of most Military designs is that they are intended as throw a ways, or Replaceable. Salt water and a leather wrapped rat tang lends itself to the Reissue Prior to Catastrophic Failure System. Now for folks of advanced years that isn't a problem, but for the Tiny Troops with single digit years of experience, they have many years that they might want to keep the Knife that Grandpa started teaching them with, and that would be a future problem. JMHO.

Hope I'm conveying this clearly enough?
M118LR is offline  
Old 09-27-2015, 07:06 PM   #31
Senior Member
 
csmkersh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 9,699
Quote:
Originally Posted by M118LR View Post
Hope I'm conveying this clearly enough?
You have, just wish you had been more open earlier. Thanks.
csmkersh is offline  
Old 09-28-2015, 04:47 AM   #32
Senior Member
 
CaptainGyro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Greater Waxhaw Metropolitan Area
Posts: 1,150
I can understand your desire to provide the kids with genuine tools at an early age; people of all ages tend to rise to the level of trust and responsibility they are given. I was handed a serious hatchet at four (there was a wave of George Washington vs. cherry tree sentiment going around evidently), despite the fact that we were in Iowa, where negotiating the forest primeval is seldom an issue. I managed to avoid pulling a Lizzie Borden, and the hatchet helped build many a Fort Apache over the next few years.

That having been said, I'd like to recommend a knife for the young 'uns: the Swedish-made Morakniv Companion. It comes in a variety of styles and colors, all of which are tough, outdoor knives and none of which will break the bank. I saw it recommended on another forum, read the reviews, and promptly bought one. It's not fancy, and you won't impress the other kids in assassination school with it, but it will handle fish and snare-fodder just fine. For an all-weather, general purpose sporting knife, I don't think you can beat it, especially for fifteen bucks.

Here's a link to the carbon steel version:

Amazon.com: Morakniv Companion Fixed Blade Outdoor Knife with Carbon Steel Blade, Military Green, 4.1-Inch: Sports & Outdoors

And here's the stainless:

Amazon.com : Morakniv Companion Fixed Blade Outdoor Knife with Sandvik Stainless Steel Blade, Black, 4.1-Inch : Hunting Fixed Blade Knives : Sports & Outdoors
CaptainGyro is offline  
Old 09-28-2015, 05:19 AM   #33
Senior Member
 
csmkersh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 9,699
I agree with CaptainGyro WRT the Morakniv Companion. I bought one a couple of years back and placed it in my car trunk along with a fire making kit consisting of a BlastMatch and a pill bottle containing cotton and lip balm. The lip balm is actually for mixing into the cotton as it's a Vaseline base and extends the burn life of the cotton from maybe a minute to about 5 minutes or more.

Oh, and the Morakniv knife is the one survival trainer Cody Lundin carried.

Oh, and I also have a good hatchet in the trunk as well.

Last edited by csmkersh; 09-28-2015 at 05:27 AM.
csmkersh is offline  
Old 09-28-2015, 07:10 AM   #34
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
Thank You both, and Morakniv makes a great knife for the money, but the selection with full tangs is rather small. The Light my Fire Series is quite interesting, But the single edge grind while useful, isn't the most common and would take away from the Sharpening Experience associated with most other Knives. But the Morakniv has a definite place in every Tackle-box, I'm just not sure that it should be the Initial Issue from Grandpa Knife?

One thing has lead to another on the other forum but a lead from someone actually using a Gerber (Bear Gryllis Ultimate) got me Looking into the Strong Arm with a fine edge.

http://www.amazon.com/Gerber-30-0010...ber+strong+arm

Link: StrongArm Fixed Blade Black FE

Once again I have to be concerned with my Military Background, I've used the LMF (Not full Tang for Electrical Sensitivity) and the Prodigy (Serrated Section takes up to much of the blade edge) and found that they both had shortcomings. But neither rusted out under the Handle and failed after multiple salt water exposures, although my time with those knives isn't as lengthy as the AFSK/K-BAR.

While Cody and the other Trainers (Folks at Randall etc) all have their preferences,it is thier time spent Training/Experiences that dictate what knife they use most efficiently. While it is only prudent to consider what they gleaned through years of hard use, a specialists knife may not be the Ultimate Tool for a Novice. JMHO.

I prefer a Miner's Ax to Hatchets, and while expensive Council Velvicut has a Bad Axe Boys Axe is already in the Tiny Troopers Foot-Lockers for later use. (Okay, Grandpa's a spoiler)
M118LR is offline  
Old 09-30-2015, 09:33 AM   #35
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,150
I have to agree with the general critique of the Sykes-Fairburn earlier. While the Applegate/Fairburn is an improvement, I recall there were problems with some versions with overhardening of the blades. One allegedly broke when dropped.

Some years ago I read an article where a slew of prominent (at the time) custom bladesmiths were asked about the general requirements for a decent fighting knife. What they came up with was a K-Bar with the point lowered to align with the thrust axis. I dimly recall where flattening the grip could have been considered a nice embellishment to better control the blade. A little patience with a good blade grinding wheel could do that in an afternoon.

I'm also rather bothered by the lack of a good (or any) handguard on many current blades. OK, I'll probably never stab anything more threatening than an overdone steak, but I've dinged myself enough in life to want some additional safety margin. Being a codger, I also realize that a strong grip may not be available when it would be most needed.

While I carry and use knives, I'm not a trained blade warrior. I've received enough training from really scary dudes to know I'm out of my league there. That's really something that requires training, practice and a fitness level many of us lack. Unless......you can suck an overconfident and unskilled young'in into reach.

Last edited by William R. Moore; 09-30-2015 at 09:40 AM.
William R. Moore is offline  
Old 10-01-2015, 04:50 AM   #36
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
Now that the Tiny Troopers are taken care of, Thank Ya'll.
Guess I can weigh in on the Stabbing Knife conversation. With a Military Background it wasn't considered prudent to fight with a knife. If you found yourself in such a circumstance it usually meant your initial Surprise attack was a failure. Which didn't bode well for Plan B!
First thing I look for is the NSN, it's sort of like the union label for the Military. So I'll offer up a few NSN Links:
De Facto Knife
Fixed Blades : SP15 LSA

I don't believe the Gerber De Facto at 4 inches is long enough for a proper Stabbing Knife. I would not want to be pressed into using one, so if this was the only blade in issue I'd leave Sentries Alone.

The SP15 LSA with a 6 1/2 inch Blade, now there is a knife. NSN 1095-01-515-9893. Looks like a Stabbing Survival Knife to me. Sentries Beware.
M118LR is offline  
Old 10-01-2015, 06:39 AM   #37
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,125
you take care of sentries with a hush puppy, a crossbow or a silent mary. or it's a mission for your sniper- anything else indicates POOR MISSION PLANNING- believe me , I know how to "deal" with sentries

Last edited by t-star; 10-01-2015 at 06:58 AM.
t-star is offline  
Old 10-01-2015, 09:18 AM   #38
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
Quote:
Originally Posted by t-star View Post
you take care of sentries with a hush puppy, a crossbow or a silent mary. or it's a mission for your sniper- anything else indicates POOR MISSION PLANNING- believe me , I know how to "deal" with sentries
I didn't realize they had any of those Old Suppressed Model 39 S&W's left.(HUSH PUPPY) Last I heard they were selling them off. They would have been more aptly named Hush Goose, but that just not Manly enough. LOL. Spent a few hours behind "The Glass". Only USMC School this Old Squid ever got. They Wouldn't let US Navy Folk keep the Secondary MOS.
When the only weapon Uncle Sam issues you is a Navy MK2 and everyone on the other side has an Assault Rifle, "dealing" with sentries is beyond POOR MISSION PLANNING.

Educational Link for the Young: http://www.guns.com/2013/02/04/mk-22-hush-puppy-pistol/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka-Bar

Last edited by M118LR; 10-01-2015 at 09:50 AM. Reason: add link.
M118LR is offline  
Old 10-01-2015, 12:50 PM   #39
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,125
you know, of course the primary mission of the hush puppy was dealing with sentry dogs- hence the name hush puppy- it just happened to be that "operators" found other uses for that weapon- most of my kit was "illegitimate" and locally made-the issued kit stayed in the locker -or "acquired" - maybe my qm was more "inventive" than yours- the guy I had was a real "scrounger" - none of his stuff ever appeared on a manifest = but if you knew him well and did "favors" for him he'd say " c'mon out back" and there would be some piece of equipment or junk that nobody else had- like a swede k or a browning hp , b/c it made no sense to carry 2 kinds of ammo- it was a see if you can use this arrangement
t-star is offline  
Old 10-01-2015, 03:04 PM   #40
Senior Member
 
M118LR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: 29.62 N 81.219 W
Posts: 175
Quote:
Originally Posted by t-star View Post
you know, of course the primary mission of the hush puppy was dealing with sentry dogs- hence the name hush puppy- it just happened to be that "operators" found other uses for that weapon- most of my kit was "illegitimate" and locally made-the issued kit stayed in the locker -or "acquired" - maybe my qm was more "inventive" than yours- the guy I had was a real "scrounger" - none of his stuff ever appeared on a manifest = but if you knew him well and did "favors" for him he'd say " c'mon out back" and there would be some piece of equipment or junk that nobody else had- like a swede k or a browning hp , b/c it made no sense to carry 2 kinds of ammo- it was a see if you can use this arrangement
I don't remember many sentry dogs in the RSSZ, but I dare you to sneak past a small flock of geese without them sounding an alarm!
Jack Daniels or Single Malt Scotch was the coin of the realm back in my day.
On a standard mapping op, only the Senior Man got a grease-gun. Everyone else took only pictures and didn't leave footprints. Negative contact was the goal.
When the time came to Rock & Roll,We had whatever We wanted and we need not look for paperwork authorization.

Last edited by M118LR; 10-01-2015 at 03:11 PM.
M118LR is offline  
Reply

  Gun Hub > Gun Hub Forum > Edged Weapons


Search tags for this page

quillion knife

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTS: Reeve Survival Knife and Gunstuffs (E.WA) clarkston_cz Accessories 0 04-21-2010 08:31 PM
EK Swat-3 Survival knife Midwest-7 Edged Weapons 1 02-20-2008 07:01 AM
Sooooooo, in terms of survival: bob knife CJM Survival 43 09-12-2005 05:40 PM
Survival M6 htmn2468 Survival 8 04-06-2005 05:13 PM
Best Survival knife bigchoad Survival 69 07-30-2004 02:06 PM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2002 - 2017 Gun Hub. All rights reserved.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.