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Old 03-28-2016, 03:50 PM   #1
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SEEKING a BP Rifle of .40 caliber or larger

Friends,

I'm seeking a SHOOTABLE Black Powder ORIGINAL large-bore rifle for hunting in a country that only allows pre-1890 breechloaders & muzzleloaders.
(Reproductions are NOT legal "over there" for non-residents.)

Truthfully, something like a Remington Rolling Block or British Enfield breechloader that has been "modernized", "sporterized", re-blued, "refinished" or otherwise is NOT a suitable "collector's item" is perfectly OK as long as it has a GOOD bore & is fully functional otherwise.
The BP will be used exclusively for HUNTING, in an OCONUS area & perhaps some informal target shooting here.

IF any of our great members has such a firearm OR knows someone who has one, please PM me.
(I couldn't care less if it is chambered for an obsolete rounds, as I cast/reload & my "little brother" can make/reform cases to suit the firearm.)

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No reproductions. Oh, well, My Cabella's Hawken will remain a safe queen.

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Old 03-28-2016, 07:19 PM   #3
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csmkersh,

As will my "Contract Remington Zouave Musket", which came through the blockade from the USA, via Bermuda, as it has NO identifying marks other than a serial number.

Fwiw, I'm really seeking a breech-loading rifle OR possibly a "double-barrel combination rifle/shotgun".

yours, sw

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Old 05-05-2016, 10:49 PM   #4
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csmkersh,

FYI, I bought a rather nice Danish copy of the Remington Rolling Block in 11.7x56R, 3 days ago.

Now, I'm trying to figure out a BP hunting load that will flatten wild boar, Red Deer & wolves out to say 150M.

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Usually you can stuff a case with BP and not blow up the rifle, just get more shove on the shoulder. I don't call it a kick, as I said, it's more of a shove.

One fellow uses 380 gr. lead bullet +50 gr. Fg blackpowder and also said any load for a 45-70 will also do well in the 11.7-51R.
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So they really say no reproductions???? I've never heard of that. And it kinda doesn't make sense. In the US there are very few actual BP guns in an appropriate condition for hunting. A very wealthy guy could get a flintlock or caplock from the UK from one of the greats like Egg, or Manton, but you're talking at least 4 grand as a starting point, and could go WAY up from there.
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Kevin Gibson,

Evidently, from what the retired COL (whose family owns the estate) says, the national parliament failed to include reproductions of antique weapons when they wrote the law, so "repops" are currently not covered in lawful methods. - He thinks that this will be fixed in 2017.

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To ALL,


When it rains it pours". = I "put out the word" on all the various TX gun forums that I was looking for a BP SS rifle or a pre-1890 Cape-Gun.

NOW I have a 11.7x56R Danish RB & a NYS Naval Militia musket in .50-70.

This afternoon, I was "drinking coffee" with a forum member in Austin & FOUND OUT that there's (what is PROBABLY) a .44-77 Sharps original Buffalo Rifle (with a box & a half or so of .44-77 ammo) for sale in Georgetown & at a "more or less reasonable" price.
(He called his cousin , who has SEEN the rifle & the cousin says "It's RIGHT NICE, if you want old stuff like that." The cousin paused & said, "Cannot see what anyone would want a rifle that you can't even buy shells for at Wal-Mart.")

"Asking around" about BP firearms here is like throwing a pebble into a pond. = The ripples just keep going farther out from where you pitched it. = TONIGHT about 7PM, I got a call (from an old boarding-school chum) about a DB Parker Brothers 16 gauge shotgun with hammers for sale in Seguin.

Methinks that I'm about to be suddenly "BP gun-poor." ====> GOTTA HAVE that long-barreled Sharps, IF it's what it sounds like that it is.
I may have to go borrow $$$$$$ from the bank. - I've not even SEEN one of those for sale in at least a decade.

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Good luck, SW! I do understand. Hope your lead on the Sharp's shows it to be what you think it is, and you can make it yours.
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IrishCop,

ME TOO. = Got a photo by email this AM that's NOT great quality but it certainly LOOKS like what the owner (and our forum-member's cousin) thinks that it is. = The rifle once belonged to a family member, who is long deceased.
(Oddly, that's how I ended up with both of my Remington Rolling Block rifled-muskets. = BOTH were once the property of the seller's deceased great uncle & both sellers knew ZILCH about what they were selling, except that the rifles were "old" & they were not something that the seller wanted to keep.)

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All this talk of Sharps rifles, I forgot to mention that yesterday was the 142nd anniversary of the clash at Adobe Walls, with Sharps rifles making up the difference in numbers.
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Who can forget Billy Dixon and the shot he made?
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Who can forget Billy Dixon and the shot he made?
Something like 9/10ths of a mile, IIRC.
Those ol' Sharps rifles were .... sharp.
Yeah THAT was original.
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Old 07-10-2016, 06:31 PM   #14
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To All,

I did NOT acquire the "Quigley rifle", as the seller's cousin had "a screaming, cussin', fit" about the uncle's rifle being sold & said, "IF anybody's buying it, I am." - She paid 100.oo cash & went home with it.

I said, "Well !@#$%^!".

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