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Old 07-13-2009, 03:43 PM   #1
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hardening a frizzen

the frizzen on my pedersoli 1805 harpers ferry barely sparks. all signs point to a frizzen that is too soft. does anybody know of a place that will harden it for me? i found a place it utah but he wants 30 bucks, is that about the going rate?

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Old 07-13-2009, 06:38 PM   #2
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Re: hardening a frizzen

That's probably the best option, since it'll likely get done right with no "mistakes".
Price-wise, that's a matter of who's doing it and what they charge. I'm sure there are other sources that will charge more, or less.

If you're handy with things, and aren't afraid of one of those "mistakes" you could try to do it yourself.
There is a product called "Kasenite" that hardens steel by heating it red hot and burying it in the Kasenite.
This gives the surface a case hardened surface, but may cause distortion.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_in ... ts_id=6465

Have it done, and if its screwed up, he owes you a new part.
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:43 AM   #3
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Re: hardening a frizzen

Don't qoute me but as said kasenite gives a very thin case hardening that I doubt would withstand repeated hits by the flint before its worn beyond depth of the kasenite hardening.I hope the metal can even be hardened if thers insufficient carbon in the steel It cannot be hardened.I would think the experts who work with these parts on a regular basis have methods of detecting carbon steel versus mild low grade steel sometimes as simple as the spark formation off grinding the part,iirc the sparks have a very visible dfference.Spend the $$,if there a good outfit thell likely know beforehand if the steel can be hardened saving you $$ on a bad part but leaving you looking for a replacement part of similar dimensions.Dixie Gun Works has about everything connected w/BP and may have something that works for you.
Pedersoli I thought was a good name in reproductions perhaps it just slipped by the hardening QC somehow?Checked everything else a flint lock is known for causing troubles the flint shaping/knapping itself,etc.
My understanding is flintlcks can be finicky without a good understanding of there operation?
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:57 PM   #4
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Re: hardening a frizzen

Years ago, some people used to epoxy a piece of hack-saw blade to a worn-out frizzen, to sort-of "reline" it.
It works, but it complicates the relational geometry of the system.

Also: Are you new to flintlocks, or are you experienced?
You may have put the flint into the cock upside-down, or front-to-rear, or both.
Is there a leather or lead clamp-pad, between the jaws of the cock and the flint? If not, the flint may be moving around as it hits the frizzen, and that would deaden the spark shower.
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Old 10-02-2009, 05:37 PM   #5
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Re: hardening a frizzen

Thats a e clever aproach to hardening the frizzen with a piece of high quality hardened carbon steel!Carefuly fitted it woudnt be stand out ugly either and life spn I would imagine considerable!Another good day learned something new and potentialy quite useful in other areas.
Gotta file that one in the memory bank under useful improviations.As youve said howerver other gemetry problems may surface but witha bit of ingenuity as dsplayed that shuld be able to be over come.Im not a big fan of muzzleloade anymore though as a youngster(teenager) the history of MLs was fascinating particularly the fur trade era and my favorite style rifle due to stying , function and history the Hawken style rifles as represented by many great makers.I was introduced to the hstory of ML rifles by long out of print book given me IIRC the ML rifle and its history basically for quick rundowns or fireearms origins and delving deeply into the american interpretations/improvements from early kentucky rfles to the end of the old style sport in the 20s-30s and the incrdible accuracy obtained from these obsolete BP/ lead rifles.Though my teenage dreams were never realized or it would be 1820-30 through to the end of beaver as an industry and I dont nor have ever owned a BP rifle one day I will but my taste has turned to a smaller caliber .32-.40 cal halfstock wth basic hawken features percussion small game rifle,caling coyote etc
Perhaps with a tang style sight.What the style of rifle
reprseents Im unsure but whatva sport calling coyotes witha .32-.40 cal BP round ball original style rifle would get bragging rights around her! At least for my own bragging!!But locatng such a rifle seems a custom option.
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