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Old 09-27-2016, 08:22 PM   #1
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Charlotte Shooting: Shot man bought gun from Burglar?

Man shot by cops in Charlotte bought gun from burglar: report | New York Post

Apparently the Burglar stole the gun and then sold it to the man.

Also the Wife who is saying how terrible the Police were and how the Husband was not dangerous had filed a restraining order against him.
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...and so the familiar pattern repeats.
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Suicide by cop and the family gets a multi-million dollar "settlement" from the city/county/State.
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According to the street the cops somehow managed to:
A. Plant the rare and expensive cocked and UNLOCKED Colt auto near the body with people watching.

B. Somehow managed to get his fingerprints, blood, and DNA INSIDE as well as outside of the gun.

C. Managed to strap an ankle holster to his leg BEFORE he was shot and fell.

Meanwhile his wife is screaming for the police not to shoot him AND screaming at him to "Don't do it, Drop it".
This obviously referring to the book he was peacefully reading.
A Quran?? possibly.

Certainly his long and often violent criminal history, violently resisting arrest and refusing to take orders from the police, including criminal use of guns means nothing.

In other news during the peaceful demonstrations (riots and looting) an upstanding member of the community was popped in the head and died.
Police have arrested another upstanding member of the community for the killing.
However, the street people clearly saw a policeman walk up to the DOA and shoot him in the head at point blank range with a riot control gun loaded with a hard rubber bullet.
This is certainly big news to the coroner who listed cause of death as a single pistol bullet to the back of the pumpkin.
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dfariswheel,

Personally, I'm sick to death of the US government mollycoddling "protestors" in such cases & allowing felony crimes to be committed without serious legal consequence.

ImVho, IF a person commits armed assaults, robs, commits burglary, commits arson, loots private/public property and/or otherwise acts feloniously during the process of "civil unrest" that they should be SHOT & W/O warning, whether by the property owner or by the security forces/police/NG.
(Fwiw, I was present in CA during one of the periods of widespread rioting there & saw the LAPD/LACSO & other police "stand aside" & do NOTHING whatever to stop the commission of assaults & robbery against innocent civilians OR to prevent the destruction of public/private property and the setting of many fires.)

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Many years ago when the good citizens were using their 1st Amendment right to protest the VN war and/or one of MLKs peaceful protests it became necessary for the Army to prepare for something to hit the fan. I was assigned to a provisional riot control battalion and we all received training as to how to peacefully meet with these upstanding individuals. This included training with a riot baton, which was longer and heavier than the current ASP often used by street cops. If an "argument" issued, we switched from melee sticks to uncased fixed bayonets. No, we didn't actually try to injure anyone but most will backup if you parry to their eyes. Wonder how the press would treat this if those nice folks today were treated like we were prepared to do. We would then form a line and slowly advance and back the mothers out of the way.
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I, too, have had riot-control/stability OPNS training both in CONUS & OCONUS.

It is my sincere belief that the shooting of assaultive persons, robbers, looters, arsonists, killers, those who intentionally destroy public/private property & any other persons, who commit felonies which MIGHT result in grievous bodily harm or death, should be engaged with fires by selected marksmen.
(It's been my experience, OCONUS, that 2-5 persons who are wounded by gunfire will generally dissuade every other criminal from their lawless activity.)

OCONUS, I saw an armed mob (most had AK weapons) at a US Embassy be disbursed by a platoon of MPs, who quietly formed three ranks, while armed with pump shotguns with 00 buckshot, saying not a single word. - The criminals on the outside of the Embassy fence watched the platoon, standing silently with shotguns at port arms, for a short period & then "melted away" into the surrounding neighborhood.

NOT a single round was fired nor was a single person injured on either side of the confrontation. = The show of force was ALL that was necessary, as the mob obviously believed that the MPs would fire IF they entered the Embassy property.
(YES, we would have fired volleys of buckshot into the mob, to protect life & property, had they entered the facility & the US Marines on the roof were prepared to use scoped M14 rifles had that become necessary.)

ADDENDA: The mob had several persons who had already beaten-up our local hire security guards (who had external security for the Embassy compound) & who were EX-foreign army veterans. = Absent the MP platoon, DoS civilian agents & USMC personnel, this could have gotten VERY ugly, QUICKLY.

ImVho, there is "a line" beyond which the security forces must NOT allow the criminal underclass to pass.
After that point the use of deadly force CAN & SHOULD be used to prevent injury/death of any innocent party, including the security force members.
This is called: MEASURED RESPONSE to CRIMINAL VIOLENCE.

Note: Given a choice, I want the security forces to be armed with shotguns, with bayonets & "backstopped" by selected marksmen with rifles.

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It is my sincere belief that the shooting of assaultive persons, robbers, looters, arsonists, killers, those who intentionally destroy public/private property & any other persons, who commit felonies which MIGHT result in grievous bodily harm or death, should be engaged with fires by selected marksmen.
(It's been my experience, OCONUS, that 2-5 persons who are wounded by gunfire will generally dissuade every other criminal from their lawless activity.)
We were told to fire the first volley about 10 foot in front of the do=bads and into the pavement. This would flatten the buckshot, spread it out and create non-fatal injuries in the legs and lower torso. If that didn't get their attention and if a second volley was fired aim gut high.

I like the idea of going back to the trench shotgun with bayonet backed by designated marksmen.

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Kind of reminds me of this
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CHUCKLE.

Otoh, today MOST of the "real problems" at protests are caused by "the criminal underclass" & MOST of them are armed, have felony arrests, many have served time in the pen & they are definitely BAD NEWS. = Things have changed since the RVN protests.

In the aftermath of the last tornado restoration mission that I was involved in with the NC State Militia, we caught one AH breaking into a house, who had served time in NC, SC, GA & CA for everything from DUID/narcotics sales/strong-arm robbery/possession of drugs with intent to distribute & had served a year in Vacaville, ca (!!!!!) for forcible rape of a minor (8YO boy) child.
(IF the government had any commonsense or even an ounce of "gray matter", he would have been locked away for life.)

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In modern times using deadly force against "demonstrators" has not been sanctioned.

Especially during the 60's, the cry "The pigs are shotgunning the People" would have not only increased violence elsewhere, it would have the ACLU and the Democrat politicians pouring in to destroy the cops.

Many attempts were and still are being made to come up with an effective non-lethal anti riot weapon.
These ranged from hard rubber buckshot and gasses, to today's experiments in super loud noise generators, "sticky paste" and electronic devices that interfere with the ability to think and act.
Fact is, none will be used in any kind of "normal" American riot because it would only provoke violence elsewhere.

The ultimate anti riot technique was mass firing by squads of police or infantry or cavalry charges with sabers.
Generally all these did was make ordinary citizens more angry and a easier target for the professional agitators.
If you look at footage of the current riots back a few years, you'll see young white men wearing backpacks and masks.
These are the hard corps professional agitators there specifically to cause violence.

One way to stop that would be to pass a city ordnance banning the wearing of masks or bandannas over the face on the street. The police could then scoop up the pros.
For some reason this has not been done as far as I know.

The most effective anti riot method to date were Korean shop owners on their rooftops with rifles and shotguns and very clearly ready, willing, and even anxious to use them to protect all that they owned.

This would be very effective in most any of the current riots, except that a white store owner could not expect to be largely ignored by the press like a minority store owner would.
You can write your own Progressive script on this: "A wealthy white store owner opened fire on peaceful demonstrators with an assault weapon so he could protect mere property at the cost of innocent human lives".
Yada, yada, yada.

Truth is, police and even military can only use pretty much what they currently have, which is gas, rubber bullets, and large sticks.
Right now, the Big Stopper is the National Guard, but if this continues unabated, that threat will only work so long, until the mob figures out the politicians won't allow the Guard to actually use real force.

That brings up the probability that the mob will confront the Guard until they go a little too far and the shooting starts.
In the 60's and in the LA riots the guard did shoot people and that put a damper on the fun.
Then we have the usual round of investigations about "the root causes" of violence in poor neighborhoods, and the Guard will again be neutered to a non-lethal force of targets of rocks and bottles and the more lethal objects the press never seem to be able to report about being thrown.

Fact is, in a free, non-repressive country, the police do about all that can be done.
Gunning people down in the streets is something we just don't want to see here.
If we do, it'll be a clear sign that a Progressive hard Left government is in control, and as they always do, they won't tolerate any descent.
When you see a government ruthlessly killing people in the streets, it's well past time to be moving out.

So, get used to the current wave of Leftist inspired Black Lives Matters- Occupy riots until we again get over it, like we did the 60's rioters and bombers.

If you own a business arm yourself WELL and at the first sign of trouble, plan on camping out at the store until it's over.
Have food and water for a week, and enough ammo to engage in at least a moderate firefight.
If you're smart, buy a good quality bullet resistant vest before the Democrats manage to ban their purchase too.
Have a gas mask, and a SURE way of safely retreating if the building gets set on fire.
If you have a friend or relative who owns a store or business, discuss this with him and if you're close enough to risk your life, offer to help him guard it.

Other wise, unless you live in a bad area or own a business in one, sit back in front of the TV and watch the "fun". Be grateful you aren't in the middle of it.
A fun game is detecting the BS propaganda put out by the press and trying not to have a stroke at how blatant it is.

Now, if you'll excuse me, due to the neighborhood I live near, I need to check the battery on my Colt M4's red dot sight, and make sure the mags for it and the Colt Government Model .45 are loaded.
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dfariswheel,

Pardon me for pointing out that there is an ENORMOUS difference in using selective gunfire against armed robbers, killers, looters, snipers & arsonists and generalized shooting at more or less peaceful "protesters". = I've personally been present at so-called protests" that were nothing more or less than a "cover for" felonious behavior by the "criminal underclass".
(The "criminal underclass" ,who commit violent, lawless, felony crimes at "peaceful protests", are generally the SAME people who, on other days, commit armed assaults, burglarize homes/business premises, sell narcotics, rob stores, kidnap people for ransom, assault/rape women/girls & often commit murder.)


ImVho, anyone who cannot see the difference in those two scenarios has "bought into" the FOOLISHNESS & NASTY HATEFULNESS of the MORON LEFT.

just my opinion, sw

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If you look at footage of the current riots back a few years, you'll see young white men wearing backpacks and masks.
These are the hard corps professional agitators there specifically to cause violence.
These are the "targets of opportunity" for the designated marksman. Shots do not have to be fatal. A 7.62 to the pelvis will put them down and give those around a vivid reason to depart quickly and peacefully. Just my opinion.
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At least here in the Southland, the States have "Anti-Klan laws" that prohibit adults from wearing masks in public for over 6 decades. - Such "mask-wearing persons" should be immediately unmasked/identified/arrested whenever they appear at "protests", imvho.
(I don't know how many "other than Dixie States" have "Anti-Klan laws".)

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There is of course a big difference between actual criminals and demonstrators.
However, in the current political climate shooting almost ANY of the criminals will cause a tremendous upheaval leading to the shooters being prosecuted.

Currently we have cases of lifetime career hard corps criminals shot by the police while reaching for or actually holding a gun and refusing to drop it.
Even so, the police are in the position of being the criminals, witness just about any of the current cases.
In one infamous case a long time criminal managed to kill himself in the back of a police van and the Hip Hop district attorney arrested and prosecuted them for murder, after trying them in the press for the benefit of the thug mob.
Only after a still honorable judge tossed the cases out did she back off.

The hard fact today is a known heavy hitter criminal can be shot while raping a child on the courthouse steps while shooting at the police with a machine gun and the police will still be in big trouble, from the mob, the press, and the progressive politicians who's constituency is the mob.

In today's climate it's going to have to be a really serious mass outbreak of murderous violence in a nicer neighborhood before any police or Guard is going to be allowed to actually shoot.
Even then, they'll be raked over the coals of Hell before it's over.

Bottom line, shooting of the thugs is not on the menu these days.
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IF you are correct & I fear that you are, the USA is finished as a FREE REPUBLIC & is well on it's way to being VIETNAM, VENEZUELA or CUBA.

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I like to think that America, at least the huge fly-over part between the upper West side-Washington DC and the 100 mile wide coast of the West coast is still more resilient and durable then the Progressives think.

Out here we're still Americans and still America.
Under heavy stress and under attack on all sides by the Left who think they're winning, but still America.

What worries me is the increasing political division and violence on the street by the Left.
Sooner or later some unthinking people are going to respond in kind and that can quickly lead to Germany of the 1920's which had the Hard Left communists battling the Left Nazi's for control.
The idea of Americans battling other Americans in the streets is worrisome.

Right now I'm VERY worried and discouraged.
On one side we have an apparent buffoon hell bent on losing, and on the other a bitter, angry and vindictive out and out criminal.

I don't know what will happen if Trump wins, but I know what will happen under Hillary.
Imagine her in control of a weaponized Federal bureaucracy filled with Lois Lerners eager to do her bidding, and Hillary determined to get even with the people she hates.

The danger there is as always, the Left go too far thinking they're in total control and can do whatever they want.
In cases like Soviet Russia or China they were.
Here, I don't think so.

I do know that after four years of Hillary, a judiciary filed with Progressive judges and Supreme court judges who think the Constitution is an out dated old document of little worth, and the Free S**T Army being larger then the number of working Americans and voting for more stuff, America will not be likely to recover.

Right now America and the world is in more danger then at anytime since 1939.
Keep your family close and your weapons closer. Be prepared for anything.
In the coming years we may be forced to make some hard choices that Americans never thought we'd have to make.
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Why is it that everything becomes a racially based crime when black clergy and NAACP show up?

Why do the news media report as gospel the unsubstantiated statements of friends and family? I left out the first grade teacher who said what a good boy he was.

I was sworn in 4 February 1968 and the closest thing to a riot I saw was at a parade. When I went to the aid of an officer who was being assaulted and we took the subject who was black to the ground and cuffed him a white male got in my face yelling about excessive force. The only blood was mine from a skint knee from rolling around on the pavement. Several other officers came to MY aid and suggested that the complainer would be welcome ride to jail with our prisoner and tell it to the judge when they arrested him for interfering. He suddenly got real quiet.

On the other side of the coin I got to march through downtown to protect a KKK protest parade. The klansmen and women were unharmed and I didn't have to look the other way.
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Right now America and the world is in more danger then at anytime since 1939.
Keep your family close and your weapons closer. Be prepared for anything.
In the coming years we may be forced to make some hard choices that Americans never thought we'd have to make.
I can agree with that and that if I get 30-40% even less of what he promises is way better than 1% of what Hiltery will do.Charlie why is it always racial because the media wants News both the L/R just morso the Left and they want that division till it knocks on their door I think.
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The reason it's always racial is because the main stream media has been totally taken over by the Progressive Left.
Racism, along with all the current isms and phobes have been very effective weapons for years that the press has used with relish against the people they consider to be threats to their utopian ideas..... (ie, most Americans).

They all went to the same journalism schools, had the same professors, work for papers or TV stations that are managed by Progressives, owned by Progressives, and everyone they know is a Progressive.
They live in big city elite neighborhoods, and associate only with like-minded people.

Everyone they know is a nice person and a Progressive.
Since everyone they know is a nice person and a Progressive, by extension other people who aren't Progressives must not be nice people, and stand for bad things.
They explain how we're wrong, and we refuse to agree. We have other viewpoints.
That means that if we won't agree we must not just be wrong but evil, because we refuse to accept The Truth.

When you're opposing bad people, doing whatever is necessary to defeat evil is acceptable, even if that means cooking the books on the news.
No one has ever really told them that they're supposed to report the news straight without personal bias so their bias's are part of the story.

For the Progressive Left, the old Leftist theme that "The ends justify the means" really does hold.
This runs from shading a news story to help someone you agree with and damage someone you don't, to shooting people in basements and building gulags.
Same ideology, just different degrees.

There's a story about an old line hard corp city editor giving a talk to a journalism class.
He asked them why they wanted to be news people and they all said that they wanted to change the world.
He told them that they were in the wrong class, because a newsman's job is reporting the facts, not to change something.

The reason we can't trust the news media is because they're almost all committed Progressives who are True Believers.
They convince themselves that a Republican is bad or out and out evil (Trump and any other presidential candidate since Eisenhower), so that justifies doing whatever is needed to destroy them.
It's to the point where they no longer really know what they're doing.
It's like a fish asking "Water? What water".

Dying dinosaurs can stumble around and do a lot of damage before finally dying.
The media is loosing control due to other sources of information, like the internet, and people are more and more understanding that we've been lied to for years.
The polls for the media are in the toilet and like that dinosaur they're lashing out in rage that they're no longer the power they used to be.
So, the lies get more and more obvious.

Since people are getting better sources of news, the Progressives are lashing out.
A couple of months ago the Democrats in the Senate voted to repeal the 1st Amendment to silence people they don't like,
Obama has just handed a major way of censoring the internet to an International UN-like body that will eventually come to be controlled by Russia, China, North Korea, and other countries who want to control what is allowed to be said on the 'net.

The internet is the most astoundingly effective way to allow free expression in history, even more then the printing press.
Of course the Progressives and dictators want to control it.

If you can control the news and free speech you go a long way toward controlling people.
That's why the press push the racism theme.
It's always been the atomic bomb of silencing people.
Call someone a racist and you've not only silenced them you've destroyed them so they will never be allowed to speak again.
It's been over used and is loosing it's effectiveness, which is why all the other isms and phobes are in play.

Right now an effective tool of the Left is Black Lives Matter so they'll use it until it looses effectiveness, then they'll drop it and find another handy tool.
The name of the game for Progressives is divide and control.
Whatever works to Balkanize America works to their benefit.
They've already split off and isolated the Blacks and are now working hard on the Hispanics.
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