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Old 05-01-2015, 09:13 PM   #1
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My S/O and I are retired from the same large agency with a total of 57 years service. She retired as a patrol Sgt. and I as a reserve Capt.

It is a big city and the PD is 1500+ officers.

During my tenure we had a few white v black shootings but none were not ruled justified. The newspaper would headline the usual sob story from first grade teachers and neighbors about what a good boy he was and that was usually the end.

I cannot say how many total shootings the PD had during my time... a few a year at most... but during that time we lost 12 officers... 11 white 1 black but all the assailants were black. All were convicted but there were no death penalties.

In 2013 there was an incident where a white officer shot and killed an unarmed black male. The circumstances of that are still murky and since little evidence has been made public I can't say good or bad.

There were enough questions to send it to the grand jury and they found no true bill. About then Al Sharpton and some others came to town so the case was submitted to a new jury. They indicted the officer for voluntary manslaughter and the trial is set for this summer. The officer resigned.



None of the cases I recall had any real protest, certainly no looting and this last one didn't either but there were rabble rousers aplenty.

Tonight we heard the Baltimore prosecutor angrily try the case on TV and while it certainly does look like the cops were wrong she was clearly after blood.

But at least her outrage was equal opportunity for of the 6 cops indicted three were black.
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Old 05-02-2015, 03:49 AM   #2
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I didn't vote for Maobama but when he was elected I thought, "Well, at least we won't have to worry about race riots for the next eight years."

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Old 05-02-2015, 04:23 AM   #3
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The police unions should get info out early and often. They are outside the agency and can do counter propaganda immediately.

The NoI and NBPP (their military and political wing) are very prepared to provide propaganda.

This is a Muslim terrorist tactic that is working very well around the world. It is especially effective in states and locations of corruption. In this country that would be Democrat controlled political entities, Ferguson and Baltimore come to mind.

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Old 05-04-2015, 10:32 AM   #4
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We have a small department. 52 sworn, from the Sheriff on down, about 200 corrections and clerical. In my 22 years as a member of the Sheriff's Office, we have had four OIS's. In only one was a deputy shot. He lost a good chunk of his arm to a load of 12 gauge birdshot. Thankfully, a Game and Fish officer was backing him up and took the bad guy down with one round from his Mini 14.

Only one of the four bad guys was African American. The other three were white. No protests or rioting. There was some flack in the media concerning the shooting involving the African American. Our Narcs were helping the ABC (Alabama Beverage Control) agents do a raid on a bootlegger. He was selling liquor out of his house. A misdemeanor, for gosh sakes. The ABC was all geared up and hit the house. The suspect shot once at an agent with a two shot .38 spl derringer and then ran right towards one of our Narcs still holding the gun. He lost. Some attempt at a lawsuit, didn't go anywhere.

Not a peep about the other shootings.

Not defending the Baltimore officers, but the whole thing stinks to me. Sure seems like the charges came down awfully fast, and were made in an attempt to stop the rioting, not serve justice. Not to mention the remarks of the prosecutor in her press conference. Hard to believe the investigation, including the autopsy, could have been completed in such a short period of time. Of course, they did say they had "30 investigators" working on that case. I don't have any experience in having that kind of manpower available to me.

We get a preliminary autopsy report inside 24 hours, but it takes weeks, sometimes months, to get a final autopsy report.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:01 PM   #5
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I was hoping you would weigh in Terry but I'm surprised there hasn't been more comment.

While I suspect there is little salvation for Baltimore officers it still smells like a railroad job to me.

I don't have specifics, but my PD was largely white until 10-15 years ago and the population was 25-35 % black.

The thing that strikes me most though is how the rabble rousers assume or tell us, that every black/white encounter is racially motivated and every cop is a bigot.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:40 PM   #6
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I guess the 3 black cops charged are prejudiced towards blacks...
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:13 PM   #7
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Equal opportunity is alive and well in Baltimore...

I'm the poster child for a southern kid who was "raised right." My parents did not teach me to be prejudiced and I still don't think I am but after a few night shifts in my pretty blue and white Ford my point of view changed a bit.

The latest rabble rousing campaign was about traffic stops/tickets. The complaint was that blacks were stopped more frequently. Well, the city is far from homogenous racially so things seemed pretty well balanced.

During most of my years I worked predominantly black areas but my profile radar lit up if I saw a white guy at 03:00. More than once that was correct...
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Charlie, we share a similar upbringing. I was brought up in a military household, by a father from Mississippi and a mother from just southeast of East St Louis Illinois. I didn't even know what the "N" word meant until I was 12 years old or so. Just wasn't used in our household.

I (and most cops I know) have much better things to do than plan our day around harassing, assaulting and killing people just because they have a different level of melanin in their bodies.

For what it's worth, I haven't ever killed anybody (wanted to get that on the record before the NSA reacted).

The media, and I mean ALL media, have played this to the point that I really believe it is encouraging violence against LEO's. So do a lot of cops I know. Which only makes the climate out there even more susceptible to the occurrence of another tragic event.

One last note that is off topic (kinda). I want to give a big shout out to the Texas traffic cop who put down two maniacs armed with what were described as "AK's" and "body armor" with his handgun. A better outcome there could not have been. And no better performance could have been asked. God bless you, sir.

Addendum: Mea culpa. After I posted this, I read at least one report which indicated that after the traffic cop engaged the bad guys, other shots were fired by SWAT officers. No firm information as to who actually fired the fatal shots. Be that as it may, the lone cop engaging with a handgun still reacted marvelously in that situation, and my shout out stands.

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Amen...

FWIW, neither have I shot anyone and I'm rather fond of saying they believed me when I told them I was gonna...
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Amen...

FWIW, neither have I shot anyone and I'm rather fond of saying they believed me when I told them I was gonna...
That brings to mind a story Sean McMahon told us at Gunstock one year.

I believe it involved a miscreant with a tire iron.
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During most of my years I worked predominantly black areas but my profile radar lit up if I saw a white guy at 03:00. More than once that was correct...
Something hard coded into the human DNA, we notice patterns and anomalies; much of the reason our species has advanced as far as it has.
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During most of my years I worked predominantly black areas but my profile radar lit up if I saw a white guy at 03:00. More than once that was correct...
I can recall that being cited as probable cause. I know in at least one case, the defense was making a big deal out of it, don't recall how it came out. Would probably have depended upon what judge was sitting.

In Re: Bawlmor........when Allen Dershowitz sides with the cops, that would be a clue that things may be fishy. Giving due allowance for the typical accuracy of "the media", there might be some violation of departmental regs with respect to a requirement of using a seat belt for prisoners. However, that shouldn't rise to depraved indifference. If the guy was lying on the floor, his chances of being injured are minimal. The refusal of the prosecutor to produce the knife the prosecution said was legal (basis for arrest) is interesting. The GPS tracked grand tour of the city is a problem.

Wonder if skipping the grand jury and rushing in there is intentional on several grounds. Stop the "civil unrest" and the charges fall apart in court?

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Old 05-07-2015, 08:38 AM   #13
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To ALL,

QUESTION: Do any of you know how many looters, "rock throwers", arsonists, etc. have been arrested by Baltimore/MD authorities for their felony crimes during the Baltimore riots?
(MANY of those subjects were recorded on video & are "known to the police".)

The answer is: NONE.

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The refusal of the prosecutor to produce the knife the prosecution said was legal (basis for arrest) is interesting.
The cops shouldn't be arresting people for nothing, but they can't be expected to be perfect, either. If switch blades are illegal, and he had an assisted opening knife, a flipper or even a locking knife, I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axle that it was an illegal arrest. Lots of people are confused about knives. They may have thought it was a switchblade. Even if the knife is legal, that doesn't mean the arrest was illegal.
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Exactly the point the union is making. If the arrest is made in good faith, no foul. I kinda wonder what the legal blade length is in the People's Republic?
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William R Moore,

Unless the MD law has changed since FEB 2011 (when I came home to TX), the lawful length of a concealable "pocket knife" is 3.5 inches. - MOST of the MD cities have local ordinances against carrying sheathed knives "in town".

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