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Old 11-15-2004, 08:28 AM   #1
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DPMS CMP .22 upper anybody have one?

Hi Guys, I was thinking about a DPMS .22 CMP upper for plinking.

Link: http://www.dpmsinc.com/10Expand.asp?Pro ... BA-22LDCMP

Looks like it would be a nice outfit for plinking?

Any thoughts?

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Old 11-15-2004, 12:53 PM   #2
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My DPMS .22 M4, which is shorter and lighter, is VERY accurate. The CMP should be even better.
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Old 11-16-2004, 09:20 AM   #3
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Thanks Snake, I ordered one today, the CMP .22 model upper.
4 to 6 weeks Oh well, It was for Christmas, hopefully it will be here by then.....

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Old 11-16-2004, 01:18 PM   #4
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They are not known for their accuracy. About 1.5 inches at 50 yards.

If that is good enough for what you want it for then it should work out fine.
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They are not known for their accuracy. About 1.5 inches at 50 yards.

If that is good enough for what you want it for then it should work out fine.
Corney, Is that first hand?

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They are not known for their accuracy. About 1.5 inches at 50 yards.

If that is good enough for what you want it for then it should work out fine.
My M4 version, with a short, light barrel, will put cheap Winchester Dynapoints into an inch or better at 50 all day long. Best 50 yard group so far is .655". That is with a real cheap 4x Chinese scope on it.
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I was repeating what the really good shooters at Nationalmatch.com are saying about the DPMS CMP .22 upper.

These guys are master and highmaster highpower shooters that have tried the DPMS CMP .22 upper as a tool for off season practice on their AR's.

They all say the accuracy is not up to their standards and don't reccomend one.

Still if one is not as good as these guys you may never know the difference.

These type uppers are not designed as a bench shooting rifle for sandbaggers.

It is designed as a tool for highpower shooters and riflemen so they can have cheap quiet practice on reduced distance targets shot from field positions.

Even one inch 50 yard groups is not acceptable for a highmaster highpower or smallbore shooter.

If one needs a good upper for plinking or if one is a highpower shooter needing a cheaper .22 upper for practice that is not yet capable of needing such accuracy then the DPMS unit is perfect for them.
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My M4 version, with a short, light barrel, will put cheap Winchester Dynapoints into an inch or better at 50 all day long. Best 50 yard group so far is .655". That is with a real cheap 4x Chinese scope on it.
Yours may be better than most.

Also if you can take off that scope and get off that bench and shoot 20 shot .655 groups using only a sling I will be impressed.
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:19 AM   #9
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Also if you can take off that scope and get off that bench and shoot 20 shot .655 groups using only a sling I will be impressed.
I'm not interested in any of that. Neither, I suspect, is Rancid, who originally asked how this gun is for PLINKING.

With my old eyes, I couldn't shoot .655 @ 50 anymore with an iron-sighted laser....
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My M4 version, with a short, light barrel, will put cheap Winchester Dynapoints into an inch or better at 50 all day long. Best 50 yard group so far is .655". That is with a real cheap 4x Chinese scope on it.
I plan on setting it up on a sand bag, with a scope, to see how it will shoot, and if it will shoot as well as Snake's, I will be happy.

If however, it won't shoot under 2" groups with decent ammo at 100 yds, I will be calling DPMS, you would expect at least that much from a 500.00 upper, wouldn't you??

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If however, it won't shoot under 2" groups with decent ammo at 100 yds, I will be calling DPMS, you would expect at least that much from a 500.00 upper, wouldn't you??

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Better get their phone number and keep it handy because you are going to be calling them.

If they average 1.5 inch 50 yards groups then don't expect them to shoot 2 inches or less at 100.

But what does it matter if it is not for serious shooting?

http://www.nationalmatch.us/forums/inde ... topic=3183
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Corney, Snake said his shot .655 at 50 yds, I would be happy with that, I'm sure.

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I plan on setting it up on a sand bag, with a scope, to see how it will shoot, and if it will shoot as well as Snake's, I will be happy.

If however, it won't shoot under 2" groups with decent ammo at 100 yds, I will be calling DPMS, you would expect at least that much from a 500.00 upper, wouldn't you??

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I believe that 2MOA at 100, scoped, with the ammo it likes, on a no-wind day, is an achievable goal for you with this setup.

Be advised that this might not come easily. I did a lot of bench testing of .22 rifles and ammo last year and I can tell you that it’s not too difficult to achieve 1” groups at 50 yards with almost any quality rifle and at least one kind of ammo, but this does NOT automatically translate to 2” at a full 100 yards. Wind and even slight velocity variations really move the little pills around out there. If you really need to shoot into 2” at 100, kept testing until you find a combo that will consistently shoot better than ¾” at 50.

My DPMS will shoot into 3/8” at 25 all day long, but will NOT consistently shoot into ¾” at 50. At 50 I can count on right around an inch, maybe just a hair better on a good day. My best 50 yard group with it so far was that .655 but I don’t claim it will do that consistently. This was with Winchester Dynapoints, which is a cheap but pretty darn accurate ammo. I haven’t shot the gun at a full 100 yet, nor do I know what it will do with fancy “match” ammo. (If I wanted to shoot 20c a shot ammo, I’d just shoot .223 in the thing!)

I have a friend on a couple other forums named Plaskon who bought the DPMS CMP and was so pleased with its accuracy that he sold all his trick 10/22 stuff! Other users of the DPMS .22s seem to be very pleased with their accuracy but I don’t know of anyone using them for formal or benchrest competition. Biggest complaint I see about them is that hicap mags aren’t available for them yet.
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Biggest complaint I see about them is that hicap mags aren’t available for them yet.
Thanks for more info Snake, it always helps to talk to someone who actually owns and shoots what you are looking at.

Hi ca mags............. that will be nice, I use those small 25 yd NRA targets that come on a pad, and paste up about 10 of them on a piece of cardboard, 3 rounds per target, 30 round cap. mag I can shoot all 10, between reloads!!
Maybe I can figure out how to stick one of those 50 round 10/22 bananna clips in there


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In the current (December) issue of Shooting Times, David Fortier shoots the DPMS CMP .22, iron sights, prone, and sling, six different kinds of ammo, 50 yards, four five shot groups of each. The WORST average with with CCI Green Tag at an even inch--the other 5 ammo averages were in the 6s and 7s. This was pretty much all match ammo, not the cheap junk I shoot.

I am still VERY happy with my .22 M4 and its cheap feed. It will easily outshoot either of my 10/22s--and a couple of my bolt-action rifles!
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for $500 it better do 2 inches at 100 yards. my $100 513 will do that if i do my part. that is with open sights, sling and mat using wolf match target.
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for $500 it better do 2 inches at 100 yards. my $100 513 will do that if i do my part. that is with open sights, sling and mat using wolf match target.
The Winchester 69A I bought at a small gun shop last spring for $90 will beat 2 inches at an honest 100 yards with the 3/4" 4X scope that came with it, and with $10/brick Winchester Dynapoints. It is the second most accurate .22 rifle I own, after an Anschutz 64. It it easily more accurate than my heavy barrel Ruger 77/22V.

So is my DPMS M4 .22.
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for $500 it better do 2 inches at 100 yards.
Good AR 15 .22 uppers sell from $800 to about $1,200.

Only these are sure to provide really good accuracy and good quality.

Anything made by DPMS will never be in the same class as the good stuff.
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for $500 it better do 2 inches at 100 yards.
Good AR 15 .22 uppers sell from $800 to about $1,200.

Only these are sure to provide really good accuracy and good quality.

Anything made by DPMS will never be in the same class as the good stuff.
Based on my own personal experience with my DPMS .22 M4 and Walmart-grade ammo, and the published reports of David Fortier and others, and the net-published reports of several DPMS .22 users on both rimfirecentral.com and ARFcom, I think it's safe to say that the DPMS .22s will shoot into one inch or less at 50 yards. These can be had for $400 to $500. From what I've read, the CZ conversions can run in this league, too, and they can be had for as little as $265 (though more often right around $300 or a bit more).

So you're saying that "really good" accuracy (whatever that is) can be had for only $400 to $800 more? What a bargain!

Reports I've read on the Kuehl, Clear Lake, and Accuracy Speaks units indicate that they are at least as accurate as the DPMSs in most cases. When I did my before-purchase research, I decided that that other half-inch of accuracy (@ 50 yards) just wasn't worth that much extra scratch. Others may have different opinions, though.

As to quality, the DPMS at least holds its own against any hacked-up Ciener or M261 (which the other units are based on). I have no complaints with the quality or functioning of the thing.

BTW, I also have an M261 in an old 1:12 M16A1 upper that will put Winchester Dynapoints into 3/8" at 25 yards all day long, or until I get tired of doing it. (Any other kind of ammo wants to shoot into about 5/8-3/4", though I did have one lucky box of Federal Walmart Bulks that would outshoot the WinDPs! Sadly, they're all gone now.) Dunno how it shoots at 50 but I do know that it will plink individual leaves and fist-size rocks off the backstop at an honest 125 yards.
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So you're saying that "really good" accuracy (whatever that is) can be had for only $400 to $800 more? What a bargain!

When I did my before-purchase research, I decided that that other half-inch of accuracy (@ 50 yards) just wasn't worth that much extra scratch. Others may have different opinions, though.
The X ring on the NRA 50 yard target is 3/8 inch. If the upper can not hold the X ring then it is worthless to me.

As I said before this is not important if one only wishes to plink with it.

If one is a good shooter and needs a .22 upper for reduced course highpower practice a one inch 50 yard upper is a waste of time and money because it will not shoot within you call.

Also DPMS stuff is not always quality. They are like SA INC. Both perfect products and junk leave their factory on the same day so just because YOUR upper is accurate and reliable that does not mean they are ALL like yours.
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