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Old 11-01-2016, 04:10 PM   #1
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:57 PM   #2
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At least it has the sensible midlength gas system.
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At least it has the sensible midlength gas system.
Yeah, what IS it that everybody wants to Carbine-length everything? You'd swear they'd try to stick a Carbine gas system on an extended-barrel custom if they could get away with it...

Other than that, yawn, ho-hum. Another AR, which everybody and their frickin' DOG makes... though most of the reviews I've seen say it's a pretty good one right out of the box--almost a Colt LE6920 but for noticeably less.

Of course, I *am* just Armchair Quarterbacking... and admittedly, I'd rather build than buy.
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Old 11-02-2016, 08:46 AM   #4
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I'm just amazed that it took Springfield so long to get an AR...what on Earth were they waiting for? I guess they want to time their release with Hillary winning next week, that way they can get scalpers prices for their AR's from day one???
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At least it has the sensible midlength gas system.
While the mid length gas system has ALWAYS made more sense in a civilian AR, the carbine length's issues were worked out by the military and it's a pretty well proven system now. I think many want the carbine length because that's what the military uses, and many want what the military has.

I'm in the dreaming stages of an AR build right now...And when it comes to an AR with a 16" barrel, my mind automatically envisions a mid-length gas system. Not only does it make more sense functionally, but to my eye it looks less awkward.
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meh- yet another variation on the at/M16 THEME- I Tire of these now that I have my issued TAVOR
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Interesting that at this late date they chose KeyMod over M-Lok. I haven't committed to either system yet, but have been comparing the two, and M-Lok seems to be edging out KeyMod in both the marketplace and the court of public opinion. Also, the Army just spec'd M-Lok in the contract for it's new Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper System (CS-ASS). (I wonder if it's pronounced "kiss ass").

The main problems with KeyMod seem to be that it's proprietary, that it's more difficult to manufacture, and that, while it's strong in steel, there's a significant tear-out potential in aluminum and composites.
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meh- yet another variation on the at/M16 THEME- I Tire of these now that I have my issued TAVOR
Two guns I wouldn't mind having are an AR and a G19. What keeps me from getting either is the fact they've become so common place they're blasé, and just a bit uninteresting.

The G19 makes a lot of sense as a daily carry gun, and it's really a great pistol. But since EVERYONE has one (really, I think they're now issued to all new shooters), I just find them rather banal.

Same for the AR, but at least with the AR there are SO many different versions you can build up, at least you can have an AR that's not just like every other AR. And since everyone seems to be into the latest-greatest, high-speed/low-drag, ultra operator bad-ass AR's, going retro is in keeping with my naturally rebellious, don't go with the herd mentality.

I still think Springfield waited WAY too long to get into the AR market. It's also strange that right as they decide to enter the market with a mid-length carbine, Colt finally comes out with a mid-length carbine of their own.
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I'm just amazed that it took Springfield so long to get an AR...what on Earth were they waiting for? I guess they want to time their release with Hillary winning next week, that way they can get scalpers prices for their AR's from day one???
GunGeek”:

You’re right about how long it took them to get into the AR “business”; especially as Springfield pretty much started as a rifle company (using true surplus parts installed in other parts they had made, in order to sell a “legal” — non-NFA controlled — semiauto version of the M14 to a then very limited market). But I’m afraid that you’re probably not right about them timing “their release with Hillary winning next week, that way they can get scalpers prices for their AR's from day one”.

It sounds nice and it certainly sounds logical and conspiratorial but there are several things to consider.

Most reputable manufacturers (and Springfield is certainly one of them) don’t jack up their selling prices to take advantage of their sales networks' need for product. Dealers might charge more at the Retail Level (to the consumer/end user) and some Distributors (but generally not many) might do the same to their Dealers but these days, it would be more than likely that the more reputable ones would just stop discounting things to the ridiculously low profit margins that most Distributors normally employ and just revert to published or suggested Dealer Pricing.

While Springfield might have looked to an increased need after the election (a need that now will not only fail to appear but a need that might actually decline instead of even staying “flat” or stable.) in an effort to let their sales network make a few more bucks or to just have a “built-in” and increased demand appear at the time of the announcement; a demand that would possibly benefit them too by pulling regularly priced rifles through them as a manufacturer and therefore, out of the factory and into the supply chain and marketplace, I really doubt they were out to scalp anybody.

More than likely, the Announcement was timed to coordinate with the NASGW Show in Kansas City that was held at the end of October.

Not wanting to get into the weeds here about the National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers Show but it has been around forever. The idea, eons ago, was that it would introduce new product to Distributors (only) and at a time usually nowhere near as early as the show was this year. Orders were written there for the new items. All of this so that by the time the Dealers attended the Sporting Goods Show each winter in Chicago and saw all the new stuff for themselves, their (then generally-regional) Distributors would have it in stock or at least know what it was.

Once the SHOT Show (which came about in part because of growing “difficulties” regarding that Sporting Goods Show) really started to grow (and over time, grow dramatically) the Manufacturers not only ignored the Sporting Goods Show (for a while some makers worked both) but they also started using it to launch their new goods for the year to everybody (Dealers and Distributors alike) and the Wholesale Show (the NASGW Show) started taking a hit as well.

And after taking a hit in that manner for several decades, the NASGW Show has finally begun pulling itself back up and becoming a place for only Distributors to meet and learn about new products and new programs for the year ahead and so they are also not wedged in with dealers, coppers, military types, and god-knows-who that fill up every square inch of space for the four days of the current SHOT Show.

Additionally, the knowledge gained that early in time about such new products allows the modern day distributor to be better prepared for their own Dealer-oriented sales “Shows” (generally held between Thanksgiving and New Year’s but these days pretty much right up to SHOT itself).

There’s actually more to it than that (like how all of the “Big” Distributors probably know everything there is to know before NASGW because of private meetings, orientations and handholdings with the bigger players that is common to all Industries and not just guns) but it doesn’t really matter for the sake of this discussion.

What matters is that the Date of Introduction for the “SAINT” (01nov16) probably had more to do with this year’s Wholesale Show (25-28oct16) than anything else.

For if things were quietly discussed there (to prepare at least some portion of their sales network for it) from Tuesday the 25th thru Friday the 28th and then everyone travelled, slept and worked over the Weekend (the 29th and 30th of October), and then the Dealers and potential End Users spent Monday the 31st logically preoccupied for a myriad of reasons with Halloween, then the 1st of November would make a lot of sense for "business", as would the first public viewing of the gun and its benefits make a lot of sense for the potential buyer (a Buyer Pool that obviously was designed to include a group not normally addressed by the Gun Industry).

GunGeek”: Please don’t think that I am singling you out; I am not. It’s just that I haven’t been here for a long while and in quickly scanning a number of current Threads (in addition to searching for something totally unrelated that I had written some time ago), I saw your Hillary-related scalper’s remark and just thought I would tell you that I don’t think that’s what really happened.
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P. M., FYI the Geek is Kevin Gibson--his old account somehow got buggered and he had to start a new one.

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I have seen a Saint in the wild. $779.99 but the place was too packed to examine it. S&W factory sale, one young couple took home a set of SWaMPy ARs, looked like a .22LR and a Sport II.

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