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Old 04-13-2016, 04:08 PM   #1
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Best price for Soft Point .30 Carbine ammo.

In 2017, I'll have a .30 Carbine (regardless of manufacturer). I will buy some inexpensive FMJ for target shooting. Finding that shouldn't be much of a challenge.

On the other hand, PPU Soft Points are not as prevalent. Cost, of course, is a prime consideration, but the ammunition will also need to be at the highest peak operating pressures. It will be used for home/personal defense.
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I would do some searching on the net. I re-load all my ammo so I can't point you to any ammo deals.
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From my experience with the M-1 Carbine I would find several different brands of soft pt./hollow point and test each for reliability. The carbine was designed for ball ammo and some have reliability problems with soft nose bullets.
If so, polishing the feedramp judiciously may prove to be a remedy.
In my case, self-defense was not an intention so when my M-1 was shown to be unreliable with soft nose but perfectly A-OKAY with ball I simply went with ball ammo.
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From my experience with the M-1 Carbine I would find several different brands of soft pt./hollow point and test each for reliability. The carbine was designed for ball ammo and some have reliability problems with soft nose bullets.
If so, polishing the feedramp judiciously may prove to be a remedy.
In my case, self-defense was not an intention so when my M-1 was shown to be unreliable with soft nose but perfectly A-OKAY with ball I simply went with ball ammo.
The problem with that, my friend, is that without Soft Point ammunition the .30 Carbine penetrates well, but doesn't stop the bad guy when called upon to do so.

Polishing the barrel ramp is a given. I knew this from the start.
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Doesn't Hornady have a Carbine JHP load? Probably not cheap, but ammo costs less than a life...
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The problem with that, my friend, is that without Soft Point ammunition the .30 Carbine penetrates well, but doesn't stop the bad guy when called upon to do so.

Polishing the barrel ramp is a given. I knew this from the start.
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Here you go Cap just plug in the caliper for your search engine and Wa-La

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From my experience with the M-1 Carbine I would find several different brands of soft pt./hollow point and test each for reliability. The carbine was designed for ball ammo and some have reliability problems with soft nose bullets.
If so, polishing the feedramp judiciously may prove to be a remedy.
In my case, self-defense was not an intention so when my M-1 was shown to be unreliable with soft nose but perfectly A-OKAY with ball I simply went with ball ammo.
In my experience it's much less the shape of the bullet, but rather the cartridge overall length that affects reliability in M1 carbines. Since JHP's are always shorter OAL vs. a FMJ, and often will have a canneluer rather high up on the bullet, and seating a bullet to the cannaluer often results in a noticeably shorter cartridge overall.

When I started loading JHP's in .30 carbine I made that observation and began seating bullets much further out to give a very similar COL to a military FMJ and most of my reliability issues just went right away.

Notice factory loads like Winchester's 110gr SJHP, Hornady's 110gr JHP, and Cor-Bon's 100gr load that uses a Barnes X bullet. Both loads have an overall cartridge profile very similar to the military FMJ load. This is to accomodate the cartridge release timing from the M1 Carbine magazine, and ensures that the round is being released form the magazine at a time to give it the proper angle to feed correctly. BTW I've never had any issues feeding any of these 3 loads from my carbine, they work just like FMJ's in my rifle, which is to say; flawlessly.

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Notice factory loads like Winchester's 110gr SJHP, Hornady's 110gr JHP, and Cor-Bon's 100gr load that uses a Barnes X bullet. Both loads have an overall cartridge profile very similar to the military FMJ load. This is to accomodate the cartridge release timing from the M1 Carbine magazine, and ensures that the round is being released form the magazine at a time to give it the proper angle to feed correctly. BTW I've never had any issues feeding any of these 3 loads from my carbine, they work just like FMJ's in my rifle, which is to say; flawlessly.
Hey thanks for that obervation -- you're probably right! I will certainly try those loads in my carbine and see what happens! Muchas Gracias, Vielen danke, and in other linguas too!
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In my experience it's much less the shape of the bullet, but rather the cartridge overall length that affects reliability in M1 carbines. Since JHP's are always shorter OAL vs. a FMJ, and often will have a canneluer rather high up on the bullet, and seating a bullet to the cannaluer often results in a noticeably shorter cartridge overall.

When I started loading JHP's in .30 carbine I made that observation and began seating bullets much further out to give a very similar COL to a military FMJ and most of my reliability issues just went right away.

Notice factory loads like Winchester's 110gr SJHP, Hornady's 110gr JHP, and Cor-Bon's 100gr load that uses a Barnes X bullet. Both loads have an overall cartridge profile very similar to the military FMJ load. This is to accomodate the cartridge release timing from the M1 Carbine magazine, and ensures that the round is being released form the magazine at a time to give it the proper angle to feed correctly. BTW I've never had any issues feeding any of these 3 loads from my carbine, they work just like FMJ's in my rifle, which is to say; flawlessly.

Cor-Bon 100gr JHP
Thanks, Kevin. I'll bear this in mind for a "house load" when "Carbine time" arrives at my place.
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That Cor-Bon DPX is a wicked load. I dumped a coyote with it at around 80 yards and he looked like he was hit by a truck, just leveled him. The wound looked an awful lot like a wound from a .357 mag JHP.
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Excellent observation, Kevin. Seeing as the .30 Carbine carries the muzzle energy of most .357 S&W Magnum loads, I'm not surprised. This sounds as if it is one of the better loads to arrange for a "bad guy" to have an immediate conference with the Lord God Almighty. I like it.

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Excellent observation, Kevin. Seeing as the .30 Carbine carries the muzzle energy of most .357 S&W Magnum loads, I'm not surprised. This sounds as if it is one of the better loads to arrange for a "bad guy" to have an immediate conference with the Lord God Almighty. I like it.

Thanks again, Kevin
Given the energy levels that the .30 Carbine develops most expanding bullet loads will be quite impressive. I would expect inside 200m the .30 Carbine JHP would be far more lethal than most 5.56 loads. And the Cor-Bon solid copper JHP will maintain most of the FMJ's barrier penetration abilities, which again, exceed just about every 5.56 load inside of 200m. So at very practical ranges, the often maligned .30 Carbine when fed the right ammunition is a wicked little rifle.

Even the FMJ load is far more effective than people give it credit. The .30 Carbine FMJ produces a much larger wound than a 5.56 does after it loses it's ability to tumble (which is generally beyond 225m), yet most seem to think the 5.56 is quite adequate all the way out to 500m.

And all the BS stories about heavy clothing degrading the terminal performance of the .30 Carbine in Korea; I mean really, does that make ANY sense to anyone? You're telling me a round that can punch all the way through a 12" tree, is somehow severely degraded by a thick winter jacket? Doesn't pass the smell test.

I personally find the M1 Carbine to be an absolutely ideal defensive carbine in an urban environment, especially when fed Cor-Bon's 100 DPX. Contrary to popular lore, the M1 Carbine is NOT inaccurate at all. I've produced oodles of sub 2MOA groups**, and that's about twice as accurate as the rifle needs to be for the cartridge if shoots. It's an inherently shootable rifle in the sense that with very minimal instruction a new rifleman can look like they've been doing it for years. The little M1 is one of the most combat proven weapons in the world...utterly reliable (much more-so than the Garand or M14). It's light in weight, perfect for door too door fighting or room clearing.

**I've actually won bets with that little carbine while dispelling the wives tales that the little M1 is inaccurate.
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If you're a handloader and want to tinker for varmint/game, the projectile CB uses is an off the shelf Barnes XPB. Almost a solid mass of copper alloy IIRC.
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Given the energy levels that the .30 Carbine develops most expanding bullet loads will be quite impressive. I would expect inside 200m the .30 Carbine JHP would be far more lethal than most 5.56 loads. And the Cor-Bon solid copper JHP will maintain most of the FMJ's barrier penetration abilities, which again, exceed just about every 5.56 load inside of 200m. So at very practical ranges, the often maligned .30 Carbine when fed the right ammunition is a wicked little rifle.

Even the FMJ load is far more effective than people give it credit. The .30 Carbine FMJ produces a much larger wound than a 5.56 does after it loses it's ability to tumble (which is generally beyond 225m), yet most seem to think the 5.56 is quite adequate all the way out to 500m.

And all the BS stories about heavy clothing degrading the terminal performance of the .30 Carbine in Korea; I mean really, does that make ANY sense to anyone? You're telling me a round that can punch all the way through a 12" tree, is somehow severely degraded by a thick winter jacket? Doesn't pass the smell test.

I personally find the M1 Carbine to be an absolutely ideal defensive carbine in an urban environment, especially when fed Cor-Bon's 100 DPX. Contrary to popular lore, the M1 Carbine is NOT inaccurate at all. I've produced oodles of sub 2MOA groups**, and that's about twice as accurate as the rifle needs to be for the cartridge if shoots. It's an inherently shootable rifle in the sense that with very minimal instruction a new rifleman can look like they've been doing it for years. The little M1 is one of the most combat proven weapons in the world...utterly reliable (much more-so than the Garand or M14). It's light in weight, perfect for door too door fighting or room clearing.

**I've actually won bets with that little carbine while dispelling the wives tales that the little M1 is inaccurate.
Dear Kevin:

You're killing me! I won't have my M1 Carbine until next year, but you already have me yearning for the day I can take it out shooting! This consists of a year of torture until I can feed this longing for what I consider the most versatile "short rifle" on the face of the planet.

This is so bittersweet it is nearly intolerable... but in time I'll get over it.

Thanks... (I think).

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Given the energy levels that the .30 Carbine develops most expanding bullet loads will be quite impressive. I would expect inside 200m the .30 Carbine JHP would be far more lethal than most 5.56 loads. And the Cor-Bon solid copper JHP will maintain most of the FMJ's barrier penetration abilities, which again, exceed just about every 5.56 load inside of 200m. So at very practical ranges, the often maligned .30 Carbine when fed the right ammunition is a wicked little rifle.

Even the FMJ load is far more effective than people give it credit. The .30 Carbine FMJ produces a much larger wound than a 5.56 does after it loses it's ability to tumble (which is generally beyond 225m), yet most seem to think the 5.56 is quite adequate all the way out to 500m.

And all the BS stories about heavy clothing degrading the terminal performance of the .30 Carbine in Korea; I mean really, does that make ANY sense to anyone? You're telling me a round that can punch all the way through a 12" tree, is somehow severely degraded by a thick winter jacket? Doesn't pass the smell test.

I personally find the M1 Carbine to be an absolutely ideal defensive carbine in an urban environment, especially when fed Cor-Bon's 100 DPX. Contrary to popular lore, the M1 Carbine is NOT inaccurate at all. I've produced oodles of sub 2MOA groups**, and that's about twice as accurate as the rifle needs to be for the cartridge if shoots. It's an inherently shootable rifle in the sense that with very minimal instruction a new rifleman can look like they've been doing it for years. The little M1 is one of the most combat proven weapons in the world...utterly reliable (much more-so than the Garand or M14). It's light in weight, perfect for door too door fighting or room clearing.

**I've actually won bets with that little carbine while dispelling the wives tales that the little M1 is inaccurate.
So many of these tales are so much "bilge water". My mother used to beat me for telling such lies.
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I can't tell you how many arguments I've had over that BS story about the Chinese winter uniforms. I got into a quite heated exchange with one fellow over the internet, he was adament that the story was true after all he had heard it from Korean vets. I finally told him I had packed an M2 carbine in Korea for sixteen months, I never heard from him again. Here is a web page with some tests. If you scroll down far enough you will find info on the 30 carbine.

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I can't tell you how many arguments I've had over that BS story about the Chinese winter uniforms. I got into a quite heated exchange with one fellow over the internet, he was adament that the story was true after all he had heard it from Korean vets. I finally told him I had packed an M2 carbine in Korea for sixteen months, I never heard from him again. Here is a web page with some tests. If you scroll down far enough you will find info on the 30 carbine.

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Yes, the NKA "quilted pajama" uniforms would stop the .30 Carbine is so much rubbish! The men in question obviously weren't 'hitting their mark'. That's all there is to it. Excuses instead of marksmanship.
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