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Old 05-26-2008, 09:14 AM   #1
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new winchester AA hulls

I'm getting into shotshell reloading, and it seems like the hull of choice for many is the winchester AA. I read that winchester changed their AA hulls and the new design (the HS) doesn't allow for the wad to be seated as deeply as they used to be with the older style. Any truth to that? Has this been a problem for anyone?
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Old 05-26-2008, 01:17 PM   #2
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

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I found that the WW hulls would crack after a few loadings. I started to use the Remington STS hulls and was getting 15 plus loads out of them. A little trick was to take silicon spray and wipe them down after the first firing! This will keep the black residue from sticking to them and allow you to clean them up a little easier after each firing! It also helps with the sizing set and may even condition them a little!

Gun club hulls held up pretty good also!

However, since you are loading slugs (something that I hav not done). Please consult and follow the loads listed by the mfg's.

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Old 05-26-2008, 06:20 PM   #3
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

If you plan on reloading shotgun you must READ your manual.
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Old 05-27-2008, 03:44 AM   #4
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

Thanks for the tips.

I do plan to read the manual as soon as it arrives. I'm just trying to see what other people are using in lieu of AA's. Mainly because I don't want to buy a bunch of AA's and find they ain't so hot. So don't worry, nothing is being made except knowledge building.
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:28 AM   #5
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

Another vote for the Remington STS hulls.

There's nothing wrong with the new Winchester hulls, it's just that you have to adjust your wad selection to accomodate the plastic sleeve at the base of the hull. So, many of the older loads will need a different wad.

If you have a bunch of the newer hulls, just look up some new reloading data and it will have an appropriate wad.

One of the biggest inconveniences of the new AA hulls for me is that I have a ton of the old AA hulls, and if the new ones get mixed in, it's a PIA.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:18 PM   #6
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

I was talking to a friend of my dad's, and he was saying he had a supply of remington premier shells. I don't know what those may be, probably STS? He said if I wanted them, I could have them. I said I'd take em, but he didn't have to.

below is a load from the lyman 3rd edition for a .690 round ball load. Anyone have any idea what the new wad would be? This is for the win AA compression formed cases. the warning says NOT to substitute components. What kinda really sucks is you're not supposed to sub out anything, but winchester goes and changes things. So what do ya do?

powder = SR 4756 @ 32.5 grs.
primer = Winchester 209
wad = Winchester #WAA12 with petals removed: 2 Butler .125" cards
slug = .690" ball
fold crimp
pressure = 10,100 LUP
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:47 PM   #7
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

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The new AA hulls are OK, not great, but OK. You will get longer life out of them by seating to about 30 lbs of pressure.
I know, it's not supposed to be necessary or make a difference. It does for me, but I only load for trap, so it may not be the same for you. If I seat to less pressure, the hulls splat after only a few loadings.

Both the STS and Premiere are superb hulls and will easily out last the new AA and they load just the same. BUT, go by the book.
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Old 05-28-2008, 05:38 AM   #8
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

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powder = SR 4756 @ 32.5 grs.
primer = Winchester 209
wad = Winchester #WAA12 with petals removed: 2 Butler .125" cards
slug = .690" ball
fold crimp
pressure = 10,100 LUP
Cap'n,

That load should work just fine. Since your'e throwing 32.5 grains of powder, that should clear the plastic insert. The only way to really know is to just try it. There's nothing about the new hulls that will bring about any pressure problems, just inconveniences during reloading.
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:40 AM   #9
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

Awesome. I picked up a mixed bag of once fired shells today. It was a mix of the old AA's, a few new AA's, and Remington STS. I might have to try the load with the few new AA's I have. If it works, awesome. If not, its not like I have alot of em I have no use for.

David B, STS load the same as premier or the same as AA? Thanks again!

oh! I remembered something else! The guy at the shop told me that the STS hulls can be loaded using the WAA12 wads. Is that true?
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:28 AM   #10
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

I have found that all three cases load the same.
I use the Claybuster wads, Winchester primers, 700x powder, and get virtually the same results on a chronograph.
I seem to miss the same number of birds as well.
The only difference I can see is the life of the case. AA are generally more plentiful and non-loaders will often give them to you.
I use whatever components are least expensive. Lately, it has been the same price to reload as to buy new, if you shop.
The most important things are safety (read your book), consistancy, and to have fun.
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Old 06-07-2008, 03:31 PM   #11
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

I found for my purposes the new AA's work better than the old style. Don't understand why, if they're supposed to be the same, but I'm not complaining either way, really. Its kinda awesome, I guess.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:23 AM   #12
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Re: new winchester AA hulls

I heard Winchester changed the formula they use for the AA hulls after so many people complained about the lack of "reloadability" of the more recent hulls. AA was all I used to reload, but now I have switched to Remington STS hulls. The plastic in the STS hulls are formulated with Teflon, and reload much better. As for cleaning what I do is take the hulls first and run them all through my MEC Case Conditioner which deprimes and resizes them. I then put them into a zippered, nylon mesh bag, (the kind women wash their bras and panties in), and run them through the dishwasher with the drying cycle turned OFF. Afterward I spread them out in the Sun on a terrycloth towel and let them dry. They come out sparkling clean. I end up with a reload that is as close to a factory round as you can get. By cleaning them with this method your hands stay clean, and more important, you don't get all of that carbon and gunk packed up in your crimping die. The hulls seem to last longer as well. Bill T.
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