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Old 05-12-2007, 04:01 PM   #1
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45 Long Colt History

I was just thinkin... 'cause i had nothing better to do i guess.....

but at the time when 45 Long colt came out (to replace the 38 correct?)

Why was it not called 45 Colt?... why did it have to be .45 "Long" colt, had there been another .45 round/chambering at that time???
 
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You need to read some history.

There is no such thing as a "long Colt. It is, and always was- since 1873- the .45 Colt.

It was the service cartridge for the Colt SAA until those were replaced by DA revolvers- some chambered for the .38 Long Colt- which proved so popular that it was replaced by the .45 ACP
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Old 05-12-2007, 05:54 PM   #3
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Charlie is correct. There is no cartridge known as the 45 Long Colt. Technically. This question comes up a lot.

To old shooters, like me, who were around back in the days when the 45 S&W round was still being used, we called the 45 Colt the "45 Long Colt". It's a habit that is hard to break and I still call it that, and get chastised by younger shooters.

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Egads,,, someone older than me...

While I am quite familiar with the .45 S&W it comes from the fairly recent recreation of the Schofield, not the original.
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And here I was thinking Cas was just trying to make a joke.....

Dean is in possession of a "clip" loaded with brass stamped ".45 Long Colt" and deadly Black Talon "bullet heads"..... <snicker>
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Actually I've got a single round of that ammo in a nice presentation box.

If Cas was funnin' he sure fooled me... it ain't like we haven't had that question before.
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Nope I wasn't "funnin"... I had a question, asked it, now I'm more edjumacated thanks to yall.
 
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A great book for that type of question is: Cartridges of the World

There is a short history and commentary on each cartridge.
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A great book for that type of question is: Cartridges of the World
Funny you should mention that. I have a copy coming in from Amazon tomorrow.
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Be advised. COTW is a book that should be on every shooter and collectors bookshelf, BUT it does have a lot of errors. Anything that you see in there that could be vitally important should be checked with another source or two.

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The revised latest edition is much improved.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:31 AM   #12
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The first 45 Long Colt cases were of balloon head design which are weak and won't take hot loads.

That is why Bill Ruger would not chamber the Red Hawk in 45 Long Colt, he was concerned about reloaders blowing them by hot loading balloon head cases.

That is what I was told in engineering when I was at the factory on business. They were experimenting with a Red Hawk trying to blow one and when I left they had not been successful.
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The 45LC and the Smith & Wesson Model 3 in 45 Schofield, were issued to the army at the same time, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Schofield) hence the term was coined 45 Long, there was in fact a 45 Colt Short (45 Short Colt)
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Ooops. Already covered.


Back when S&W came out with their Schofields for the Army they were chambered in the .45 Government* or short Colt. The .45 Colt became referred to as the .45 long Colt. It stuck.

*The S&W .45 Government was a rimmed cartridge and not to be confused with the .45ACP.

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It always was the .45 Colt until the .45 Schofield came. Even though the Schofield revolver was bought only in small numbers, the new .45 Schofield or .45 S&W replaced the .45 Colt since both revolvers could shoot the .45 S&W but only the Colt's could shoot the Colt's cartridge. The .45 Colt threw a 255gr bullet at about 900fps and the .45 S&W was a 230 grain bullet at around 900fps. Most of the soldiers preferred the Colt cartridge so when they asked for ammunition they tended to differentiate by asking for "the long one" or .45 Long Colt. Even though the .45 S&W ammunition was the official cartridge, there was a lot of .45 Colt ammunition still in government warehouses, and the government still continued to buy small lots of .45 Colt's ammunition. So the short vs. long thing continued for a long time. By the turn of the 20th century the term "Long Colt" was well entrenched.

There are many who say there never was a .45 Short, and that may or may not be true. A few boxes of ammunition have been found over the years that say .45 Short Colt, and the cartridges appeared to be .45 S&W ammunition. I personally don't believe that was a specific cartridge, but more marketing of .45 S&W in areas where people just wanted "Long" or "Short" .45 pistol ammunition.
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To All,

Long ago when I was an "exchange officer"/honorary "Red Cap", i.e., Royal MP of the UK, one of the LTC had a box of Spanish-made revolver ammo that was marked: .45 Short Colt Revolver, so I know for sure that at least some ammo was marketed as,
"45 Short Colt".

I have no way of knowing whether any boxes were ever marked as, "45 Long Colt".

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I have no way of knowing whether any boxes were ever marked as, "45 Long Colt".
yours, sw
Didn't Remington label .45 Long Colt?

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Who thought he saw some years back.
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Besides the .45 Colt and .45 S&W, US Army Ordnance ultimately created a hybrid case in the late 1880s that combined the length of the S&W case with the narrow rim of the Colt.
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Daniel Watters,

YEP. The US Army & the NWMP both wanted a round that would work in the Colt's Peacemakers & in the S&W Schofield.
(After smokeless powder became common, it was also quickly discovered at Springfield Armory that the shorter case worked better with the "modern" propellant.)

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I got a feeling my opinion wouldn't be Welcome should I bring up Elmer Kieth, so this will be my only mention in this most Classic of discussions. Carry on Gentlemen.
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