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Old 10-08-2015, 09:31 AM   #21
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I got a feeling my opinion wouldn't be Welcome should I bring up Elmer Kieth, so this will be my only mention in this most Classic of discussions. Carry on Gentlemen.
As in, something critical of Elmer Keith? We're adults here; I don't think any particular gun writer is sacred. Elmer did dumb things just like everyone else. His early experiments with the .45 Colt were borderline crazy.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:57 AM   #22
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It is true that Elmer wasn't the only wildcatter out there, just one of the more well known.
Pushing to the extreme has brought about many of the new Super Magnums, but when is it enough. The S&W 500 Mag produces over 2k Ft Lbs of energy at the muzzle with multiple loads. While some of Elmer's .45 LC experiments surpassed even the eventual 44 Mag loading's, I can't consider them enjoyable to shoot. But there are many that continue to push the envelope even further, so I must be in the Minority.

About the .45 Colt AKA .45 LC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt

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Old 10-08-2015, 01:22 PM   #23
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It is true that Elmer wasn't the only wildcatter out there, just one of the more well known.
Pushing to the extreme has brought about many of the new Super Magnums, but when is it enough. The S&W 500 Mag produces over 2k Ft Lbs of energy at the muzzle with multiple loads. While some of Elmer's .45 LC experiments surpassed even the eventual 44 Mag loading's, I can't consider them enjoyable to shoot. But there are many that continue to push the envelope even further, so I must be in the Minority.

About the .45 Colt AKA .45 LC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Colt
Somewhat of a rival of Elmer Keith's was John Lachuck who used cut down .405 Winchester brass to develop .44 magnum cartridges back in the '40's. Lachuck had a gunsmith who made special cylinders for him to increase the safety margin. I recall reading somewhere that what eventually became the .44 magnum was nearly identical in load to what Lachuck had developed.

And I agree, where does it all stop? I personally could be quite happy with nothing larger than a .41 Magnum to hunt pretty much anything in the upper 48 if I so desired. The .41 can do anything that the .44 magnum can do and do it with better penetration.

5 shot .45 Colt's are basically .454's, and I don't find them enjoyable to shoot at all. The .480 Ruger isn't horrible and it actually slings a bigger bullet. I personally just don't see a need to sling a handgun bullet much beyond about 1,200-1,300 fps unless it's a small bore (.38 super, .357 mag etc).
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Ah, but we have neglected Hornady's fine 265 Grain offering. From carbine or handgun the Original 444 Marlin Slug has so much to offer. From the bench or off the shelve, this projectile is the Cats MEOW. In a handgun it offers the max in penetration, from a leveraction it offers all you can ever request to 150 yards for North American Game Animals. If I had but one projectile to send downrange in the Americas, this would be it. JMHO.
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I've loaded thousands of rounds of .45 Colt for S&W, Ruger Blackhawks and a Marlin lever gun. I experimented with both the Blackhawks and the Marlin using slow burning powders and 250g Hornady XTP's. One of the best loads used AA1680 with a charge comparable to .45 Win Mag and gave me 1650fps out of the Marlin. I eventually abandoned this because I wanted a powerful load that was practical in both the Blackhawk and the Marlin so I settled on H4227 with max loads documented in Lyman and other manuals. The load performed well in both gun and carbine.
I experimented with other bullets, The Sierra 240g JHC, the Speer 260g and maybe a box of 265g and never found them to be better or worse than the 250g XTP.
If I want something more powerful I'll get out the 45-70.
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You guys are making me thirsty. I think its' time for a beer.
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