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Old 02-03-2007, 05:24 PM   #1
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175 grain match .308 bullets

At a gunshow today I bought some .308 bullets that I was told were 175 grain "pulled" match bullets made by Federal for the military. After weighing a bunch they appear to be more like 173.5 grain. There is no cannelure and they are boattail bullets but are not hollow points. I paid $11.00 per 100. Did I get ripped or a deal?
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Old 02-04-2007, 06:14 AM   #2
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ghost,

The 30-06 M72 Match round had a 173 grain fmjbt bullet. Never heard of them being made by Federal, but not saying it could not happen. Most were probably made by Lake City.

Eleven cents a bullet is not a rip-off...... BUT there is a reason that the Army switched to the use of Sierra's 168 Match King and 175 Match King for the M118 and M852 rounds (in 7.62 Nato). They are more accurate than the old M72 pill.

It's still a good bullet...... but dated and superceded by better stuff.

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Old 02-04-2007, 08:41 AM   #3
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ghost,

The 30-06 M72 Match round had a 173 grain fmjbt bullet.
I purchased 1000 of said bullet from Pats over a year ago. Still have some!! Great shooting bullets!! I load them up in my K31!!

Below is picts of said bullets!!! Hard to find these!! I wish Pat had more because I would buy them!!

They also shoot well out of the 308!!

Good buy at 11 cents a piece!!!

Terry
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Old 02-04-2007, 10:15 AM   #4
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I shoot them in my M1A.

For me they are a good bullet, the only thing is do not shoot them in a 6 groove barrel. They are not as accurate as in a 4 groove. Something about the jacket thickness if I remember right.

11 cents a piece is a great deal!!

Buy all you can at that price

Enjoy
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Old 02-04-2007, 02:24 PM   #5
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Thanks suasponte. I bought 500 from him. I agree with Swampy about the Sierra but the last time I bought the 168 grain BTHPM they were $13.00 a hundred but I think they are now $24.00 a hundred from Midway! I plan to load them in once fired Black Hills .308 match brass and shoot them out of my M1-A. Any body have a accurate favorite load for that bullet in the .308? Thanks for the assistance.
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Old 02-04-2007, 04:34 PM   #6
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I have been loading 42gr of IMR-4895 pretty much with that bullet and the 168 BTHP's. I am getting Sub-MOA out of my Savage Model 10 and out of the new Tikka T3 Tactical I got!!

Terry
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Old 02-05-2007, 09:48 AM   #7
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I bought a big box of those projectiles from the CMP back when. After sorting them by weight (because they vary by about +/- 1.0grs), I'm able to get about 1.5MoA out of them through a match M1A.

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Old 02-05-2007, 08:11 PM   #8
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"...favorite load..." No two rifles will shoot the same ammo the same. You need to work up a load for your rifle.
IMR4064 and 168 grain match bullets works well out of most .308 rifles. It's extremely accurate out of a .30-06 too.
$11 per 100 is a great price if they really are match grade bullets.
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Old 02-06-2007, 04:46 AM   #9
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ghost,

You got a REAL good deal. However, I would be hardpressed to call the M72/M118 bullets "match grade". Any commercially made match bullet will shoot rings around them.

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You got a REAL good deal. However, I would be hardpressed to call the M72/M118 bullets "match grade". Any commercially made match bullet will shoot rings around them.

Don
True!!! But not for $11.00/100

Terry
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ghost,

You got a REAL good deal. However, I would be hardpressed to call the M72/M118 bullets "match grade". Any commercially made match bullet will shoot rings around them.

Don
True!!! But not for $11.00/100

Terry
Two weeks ago you could. This week, it's $15/100*
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Old 02-07-2007, 03:38 PM   #12
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If you have a 4 grove barrel they are good bullets for practice. I bought a lot of them years ago from the DCM and even got in on the last of them from the CMP back in 1999. At the price of Sierra bullets today, if your rifle likes 'em buy all you can. I still have 3 cans of them and very happy to have them. Only wish I had bought dozen more ammo cans of them when you could buy them.
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Twist Needed

At 1.289 inches, it appears that a minimum twist of one turn per eleven inches is necessary to stabilize the bullet, per the suggested twist calculation. Isn't the standard twist for an M1A slower than this rate?
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Twist Needed

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At 1.289 inches, it appears that a minimum twist of one turn per eleven inches is necessary to stabilize the bullet, per the suggested twist calculation. Isn't the standard twist for an M1A slower than this rate?
nc-shooter,

The twist needed to stabilize a bullet is not a narrow band. The formulas that calculate it will give you an optimal twist rate, but something a little slower or a little faster will work as well. I have heard people say that a .30 caliber 190SMK bullet will not stabilize in a 1-12" twist, but in most cases it does. Also, the velocity that you drive a bullet at has an impact. A bullet driven at a higher velocity can use a slightly slower twist. I have shot the M72/M118 bullets out of my .308's 1-12" twist, and they work fine.

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USSR is correct......

The JLK 175 and 190 gr. VLD .308's (That I make, BTW...) are two of the longer bullets available in that weight and caliber. Both are 1.350" long and both stabilize just fine in a 1-12" twist.

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In the 80's and 90's we use to get 1000's of them loose in Ammo cans from the DCM as support for High Power. I had one of my M1A's rebarrelled with a 4 groove 1/10 twist just for them. I would sort them by length into 3 lots S-M-L. As I remember the last ones we got were always closer to 174gr. While not as accurate as the M-852 168grSMK , they shot well enough when loaded to Match velocity as opposed to Special Ball velocity.
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As I remember the last ones we got were always closer to 174gr.
Tailgunner is correct. The median weight of these bullets is closer to 174gr than 173gr.

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Twist

Good information on the range of twist. Learned something new with the higher velocity offsetting a slower twist. Will have to file that tidbit of information away. Thanks.
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Curio -

Bearing Surface Comparative -

M72 Milsurp 173 vs. Sier. 175 Match - ______________

Oh, for good measure - Can we do the same for M852 -
Sier. 168 - _____________

I'll never ask again
Thanks !
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