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Old 09-08-2005, 07:25 AM   #1
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62 grain .223 loads

Just for the heck of it, I just bought some pulled 62 grain FMJs to try out. I wanted to use a ball type powder so I could use my Dillon for a volume of some mixed military cases I have laying around. I have also always had great success with H-335 with .223 loads so I thought I'd give it a try with these. I have now tried loads with both 25 and 25.5 grains of H-335 and seating the bullets to the cannelure. Using my Colt with 1:7 twist (this rifle will group MOA using match or my 60 grain V-max hunting loads), groups with the 62 grain loads were TERRIBLE!. Since this was just for blasting ammo, I would have been satisfied with 2 MOA but we're talking about 5-6 MOA.

Just asking if anyone has had any success with loading these bullets and, if so, what was the recipe? I have to wonder if the bullets are just that bad. I can't find any obvious deformities but something is dreadfully wrong.
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:31 AM   #2
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Are you crimping your bullets? If so try no crimp. The crimped loads I tried were worse for me and I never crimp rifle loads now.

I tried these bullets too with about 25.2 of WC-844 about the same as H335 and all I ever got was 3.5-4 MOA. I used a 16" 1-9 and a 20" 1-8.
I tried rem, win, L.C. and Malaysian brass, fed & win primers but got nothing better than 3.5 moa.

Look around and don't quote me on this but I think the GI load is 26.1 of WC-844. I never was comfortable going over the max load of H335 but it seems these bullets like to go fast. Maybe the groups would improve.

My best blasting loads use the bulk 55gr remington fmj flat base bullets.
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Old 09-09-2005, 06:25 PM   #3
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Look around and don't quote me on this but I think the GI load is 26.1 of WC-844.

It is.


That's my favorite .223 plinking load. My reloads are better than all the M855/SS109 surplus stuff out there. What's the point of having a steel core bullet that's under-powered?

I get 2 MOA out to 500yds with all of my Mini14s.
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Old 09-11-2005, 11:05 AM   #4
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I agree on the crimping comment. I've never found a need to crimp .223 loads either.

I noticed that in the M855 specs I found that they list this load having a muzzle velocity of 3,025 fps. From what I can tell from Sierra and Lyman load data, that is freakin hot.

Back sometime in the 80s, I had a box of Hansen green tip SS109 bullets and they just shot fantastic in my old Colt AR I had at that time. I was hoping to re-create that (these bullets aren't green tip) with these bullets but it doesn't look promising.
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Old 09-11-2005, 03:29 PM   #5
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I think Hansen's basically repackaged Israeli components and ammunition for the commmercial market.

If that was/is the case, maybe some new IMI bullets from widener's would do better than the pulled ones.

And it looks like they have some of the 62 grain lead core stuff too.

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?di ... 81|304|326

I know several people who used these before the sierras caught on and they were very happy with them.

For what it's worth, of the four M855 loads I've tried, the IMI was the most accurate.
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