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Old 07-02-2005, 02:25 PM   #1
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Loading with Accurate Powders? Any recipes?

Does anyone has some good recipes with Accurate powder for use M14, M1 Garand and the AR15 in .223?
I used so far 25 grain AA 2460 with a 55 grain bullet in 223, and 41.8 grain AA 2460 with a 168 HPBT in 308. I think though, that 2460 is to slow for 223. Any advice?
Thanks in advance,

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Old 07-02-2005, 03:23 PM   #2
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Even though AA 2460 is shown in their data for the .223 I've always liked 2230. I also had some very good accuracy with 2015 in a bolt gun.

2460 is a pretty good choice for the .308 although AA 2495 has done better for me.

I don't know what is available to you but those two should give very serviceable loads although some others might be a bit more accurate.
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Old 07-02-2005, 04:35 PM   #3
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AA XMR4064

I have used a lot of this for 308's. A light but accrate load for gas guns is

41.3 gr xmr4064
S168 @ 2.81"
Fed + CCI Primer


In fact yesterday, out of my match 308 garand, I got four of these purt' near touching at 200 yards!

Dave

PS Not to be confused with IMR 4064
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Old 07-02-2005, 09:23 PM   #4
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There is not a lot of difference in burning rate between 2460 and 2230, but in 223. with the heavier bullets 2460 does a better job.

The 2230-C that is available at a discount is slower than cannnister 2230 and has a burning rate more like 2460.

I think the 2230-C is a useful powder at good price.

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Old 07-03-2005, 02:40 AM   #5
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Everything from Accurate is avaible here in Holland (it's a European powder, so good avaible. Unfortuantly US powders are hard to purchase and very expensive ). I heard that AA 2495 is very simular to IMR 4895. If that is thru, there are many reloading recipes avaible.
I use powders from Vitha Vuori always, but I like to use ballpowders. I had good results with Hodgdon H335 in .308, but it is twice more expensive as Vitha Vuori .

My best results I achived was winning a International Rifle Club match (Dutch open 2005) on 600 yards with my M14 in the service rifle class. I used a cheap, but measured and selected, Prvi Partizan 168gn HPBT bullet with 42 grain of Vitha Vuori N140, Federal primer and a Norma case.
I'm goeing to try my luck with Accurate now.

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Old 07-03-2005, 06:12 AM   #6
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I've had exceptional results with some VV powders and have always wanted to try N133 in the .223 but never got around to it. I've also had some good groups from Norma N204 in the .308 (it's hard to find here)

Accurate 2495 is similar to 4895 but I don't have any experience with it.
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I used to use Vitha N133 in .223. I used it with a Speer or Sierra 53 HPBT. I shot some 1,5 Inch groups on 100 meters with it with my AR15. Its also very clean.
I never tried Norma powders.
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Old 07-03-2005, 07:30 AM   #8
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175 SMK with enough XMR4064 for 2650 fps at 10 feet in a garand works well for me
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Old 07-03-2005, 11:31 AM   #9
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Some pet loads:

Cal .223 Remington/5.56mm for AR15/M16
26.8 grains 2520 for 68/69 grain bullets.
24.8 for 75 grain bullets.

Cal. 308 Winchester/7.62mm for M14/M1A
42.6 grains 2520 for 168 grain bullets.

Cal. 30-06 for M1 Garand
46.5 grains 2520 for 168 grain bullets.

AA2520 works well in all three.
Brass was USGI Lake City.
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Real fun ground hog load :

26 grains of 2230-C in Lake City Brass timmed to 1.75", with Winchester primer and a 35 grain V-max bullet. This is one heck of a shooter, its groups real well out of my now Howa 223. I get about a 3/4 group at 100 yards, and it really puts a hurting on ground hogs. I don't have the OAL for it on hand. I got the load info right out of the Accurate 2004 manual. I have been using the 2230-C in my AR loads 25 to 26 grains in lake city brass, Winchester primers, 55 grain pull downs from Pats, and a OAL of 2.25". I purchased 6 - 8# kegs from Natchez when it was $59/8# keg. Great powder for little money, and I shoot it in my K-31, and 308. Its good for every Military gun I shoot. I even shoot it in my Krag.

I noticed that it list 2.130 so I checked a couple of my loads and I am at 2.138".

Also note that the 35gr V-max I got a Pat's are factory over runs.

Hornady Rejects:Blems, Overruns

224 35 V-Max 500-44.00

Terry
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A few years ago I loaded a lot of .308 with AA2520. AA2520 works well with 142 - 168g bullets and is in the right burn range for the M14 and M1 Garand pattern rifles. The data in the AA manual is often generous with charge weights so it's possible to see pressure signs more than two grains below the published max. Approach with caution.

I need to dig thorugh old targets but I do have a 168g load that came close to FC Gold Medal match in accuracy and point of impact.

Since I began using Varget in .308 I pretty much quit looking at other powders.
 
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Amen! Simp
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Well thanks! That's info where I can work with . I deffinatly gonna try the 35 V-max in my AR. For some reason, my AR15 A2 has an old Colt M16A1 barrel (1:12 twist), so I'm kind of stuck with light and short bullets. I use my AR15 only for 100 meter matches. For longer distances I use my M14 anyway.
I have a bunch of Speer 53HPBT bullets. I think that AA2460 is a little to slow for this combination, 53gn HPBT and a AR15. I use Canadian IVI military case I find on the army ranges. There weight very consist, and are pretty heavy.
I'm curious about the loads for the M1 Garand. Here in Holland, there is a opion that you should'nt use powders that burn slower than Vitha N140. N150 is the best they say. But when I look in the US Army Ammunition Data Sheets, they say that the M2 ball is loaded with 50 grains of IMR4895. And according to many burn rate tables around, IMR has approximatly the same burn speed as Vitha N135
What should I do? Try AA2495 or 2520?

Greets,

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AA2520 was developed specifically for use in NRA highpower competition. It is Accurates #1 choice for .308 WIN and M1 loads using the 168 grain match bullet. Try it you'll like it, and let us know how your loads shoot please.
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AA2520 was developed specifically for use in NRA highpower competition. It is Accurates #1 choice for .308 WIN and M1 loads
Ditto!!!

Damn good powder!!! "Camp Perry" powder (also known as)!!!

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AA2230 24.5gr 69gr HPBT does MOA with my Ranch Mini 14.
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Old 07-07-2005, 12:15 PM   #17
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I'll think I'm gonna purchase a 1/2 kilo of 2495 and 2520 and make some different test loads. I can hardly wait I only need to find a suiteble powder for my 55 grain max AR15 loads. I realy enjoying reloading!
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